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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 20:55:50 GMT
Onlyabba4meagain
There is no need to explain yourself or apologise. People perceive things - the same things, differently.
Ok. On Voyage getting to #1. Yep 40,000 plus just on sales is enough.
Ed Sheeran's last "proper" studio album got 600k first week sales. I doubt if he will come near that. But let's say 400,000. Second week, drops to under 200,000.
I think ABBA's opening week will be huge. They could easily beat Ed's 2nd week sales. If Adele releases an album then it certainly won't have the opening sales of its predeccessor.
Huge opening sales, a big 2nd week drop and levelling off seem to be the norm for "vintage" acts with new material.
Personally, I think ABBA are releasing it too soon. We waited 40 years, nearer Christmas or at the same time as Abbatars in the Spring.
I like both new songs but Don't Shut Me Down is more uptemp and typical ABBA. I Still Have Faith in You is certainly more musical. It would fit in nicely to Les Miserables or the Greatest Showman. It is not "instant" and takes a few listens. Maybe they should have thought how a Eurovision song would appeal. They all have to be instant. Like I said I like it but it isn't instant.
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Post by gary on Sept 17, 2021 5:58:33 GMT
I’always find your posts interesting, Colin, and, just as importantly, I trust them.
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Post by justabba on Sept 17, 2021 6:26:03 GMT
Abba sound engineer Bernard was interviewed in Sweden this week. He said 2 songs were recorded in 2017, a few more in 2019 and the rest this year. More songs than on the album we're recorded, but the group were not happy with them so will not be released. He also says on some songs the girls sound as young as ever and little things, the Christmas song is a ballad.
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Post by Michal on Sept 17, 2021 7:08:49 GMT
They should have far more than that, when 80000 were pre-ordered in the first 3 days only. Or are are we talking about sales without the pre-orders? Edit: for some reason the quote is not visible - I was referring to the sentence: "Abba should be guaranteed at least 50,000 in week 1"
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 17, 2021 7:12:37 GMT
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Post by Alan on Sept 17, 2021 8:13:25 GMT
Abba sound engineer Bernard was interviewed in Sweden this week. He said 2 songs were recorded in 2017, a few more in 2019 and the rest this year. More songs than on the album were recorded, but the group were not happy with them so will not be released. He also says on some songs the girls sound as young as ever and little things, the Christmas song is a ballad. I wonder if this is related to the rumour about three songs being held back for a potential re-release next year? If they will actually remain unreleased, there’s the possibility they may get leaked at some point and it will be like Just Like That all over again… fans queueing up to declare them the best things ABBA have ever done. Perish the thought… I wonder if it was always intended the album would have ten tracks, and that they simply carried on until they got ten they liked? Albums these days seem to be shorter again as they’re designed for vinyl and not CD. Or was it meant to be longer but they decided they didn’t like some of them enough? Or has Bernard been told to say this so it quashes any rumours about about the three tracks to be added next year, meaning it will still be a surprise if it’s ever announced?
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 17, 2021 8:21:27 GMT
Abba sound engineer Bernard was interviewed in Sweden this week. He said 2 songs were recorded in 2017, a few more in 2019 and the rest this year. More songs than on the album were recorded, but the group were not happy with them so will not be released. He also says on some songs the girls sound as young as ever and little things, the Christmas song is a ballad. I wonder if this is related to the rumour about three songs being held back for a potential re-release next year? If they will actually remain unreleased, there’s the possibility they may get leaked at some point and it will be like Just Like That all over again… fans queueing up to declare them the best things ABBA have ever done. Perish the thought… [...] Or has Bernard been told to say this so it quashes any rumours about about the three tracks to be added next year, meaning it will still be a surprise if it’s ever announced? You could be right, Alan. It's a risky strategy, though, given that some version of "not good enough" is already associated with them. But giving them that status gives scope for putting them out as vinyl/CD B-sides for future singles. That could greatly enhance their chances of charting... It could also put an expanded/deluxe version of the album on a similar footing as the previous releases, which were topped up with B-sides. In fact, I hope that one of these songs comes out as the B-side to Little Things at Christmas.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 9:19:51 GMT
Colin, I've known you for over 40 years !! which in itself is amazing, in all that time I've spoken to you once and don't even know what you look like, that said I consider you a friend, who's shown nothing but kindness and a font of knowledge which i have always found fascinating, we agree on most things except Eurovision !! lol I don't need to say anything else.. your valued.
OK onto Abba related.... Its looking like DSMD may survive the drop this week and has stabilized on the UK Singles chart, so it may hang around. ISHFIY , looks like a disappearance from the top 40, how far its dropped we will find out later today.
The initial furor has calmed, understandably, with all Albums that were in the UK charts dropping or disappearing, again quite predictable.
Being honest i guess after 2 weeks of constant playing, DSMD was an instant like,by myself and public, ISHFIY, is dare I say, an Album track , Its perfectly likable and has beautiful sentiments, but for todays market, Its a up hill struggle, as mentioned here before are independent radio station playing it ! DSMD is what the public thinks of ABBA and had by far the better airplay. Its not to say I don't like ISHFIY, but i do question in former times would it have been released as a single....
Just A notion, I guess because of its "rarity" hidden away on a more obscure album, I've always liked, again typical up beat track, I do wonder what the media will say adding a track from years ago, but hey..but could be popular with the public...again because of its tempo... Bumblebee, we will find out soon enough, I truly hope its not Bjorn led, no offence, so we may be surprised, and its possibly the talk of most speculation. But surely again if an old track there will be media talk, of two tracks coming from the Vaults......
Little Things I'm intrigued about, as above if its a Ballad, and it possibly is.. If that's the case, its got to be good for Christmas, as most successful Christmas hits here in the UK are uptempo, as much as I like Happy New Year, If Little Things is in the same vain... its not a get up and dance is it !! that time of year is associated with fun !!
Of course all of this is wild speculation on the vast majority of us and the public, it boils down to ... we don't know yet ....
I'm just enjoying the ride, and it looks like its going to be quite a long ride...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 10:02:30 GMT
For me with Christmas songs I like them uptempo too.
The best ones are by artists I don't normally like. Mariah Carey springs to mind!
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 10:38:56 GMT
^^^ A classic example... as a rule i really dont like her material, but dont mind this seasonal hit... but not every 5 minutes ..lol.. which why i guess she gets high positions every year.. even making number 1 last year......Thanks to downloads/streaming...
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Post by lamont on Sept 17, 2021 11:05:40 GMT
Hello all, I’m brand new here, I’ve cruised on here reading all the articles for many years but only joined today.
I know all about Colin, I remember he used to send me newsletters in the early 90s, he may remember me as I originally sent him a copy of Josefin’s album on cassette and he raved about Midnight Dancer.
Reason I joined is I have thoughts on new album that I need to air: With Just A Notion being revamped, and with Benny being known to recycle music, I’m wondering if Little Things is going to be a revamped version of Vinterhamn. When You Last Danced With Me is (if this is) Our Last Dance, and Keep An Eye On Dan is revamped version of You Are My Man, I really hope I’m wrong on the last two, as they were released in English in 2009, suppose we will find out in November. Nice to meet you all.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 11:36:28 GMT
^^^ Welcome.....
All thoughts are brilliant.. whether your an old fan or new..Its great to hear from another perspective.....
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Post by lamont on Sept 17, 2021 11:41:28 GMT
That’s kind of you to say, plus Ode To Freedom could be We Write The Story, the lyrics could easily fit in also
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Post by gamleman on Sept 17, 2021 11:53:29 GMT
First of all, welcome to lamont.
foverfan, I think you are right in daring to label ISHFIY as an 'album track'. I thought it was brave of them to release it as a single, but it was fitting for them (especially lyrically) and they did back it up with a second more typical ABBA single, so no harm done. I would put it in the same category as "The Way Old Friends Do" - not really a strong single but nevertheless a strong anthemic song that could catch on and be widely covered by other artists. And can't you imagine it as inspirational music in the background on TV talent shows and such like?
I really don't think that any of the new songs will be lyrically reworked versions of B&B compositions that have previously had English lyrics - what, after all the trouble we've had with getting them to release the ABBA version of "Just Like That"? There may be reworks of songs with Swedish lyrics though.
If they do rework more old material than "Just A Notion", I shall be very annoyed that they have left out "Just Like That". Surely they must be aware of the popularity of this song - it almost seems like they're being deliberately difficult/contrary.
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Post by lamont on Sept 17, 2021 12:36:33 GMT
I hope not too, I wasn’t that keen on You Are My Man and (If This is) Our Last Dance. It’s just a niggling feeling I have, and the song titles could easily fit in, especially with Little Things, though Vinterhamn is beautiful and Frida & Agnetha would sound beautiful singing it. Thanks for nice welcome.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 12:51:58 GMT
Vinterhamn.... Well that one totally passed me by ..... Very nice little track, didn't understand a word of course... not sure if its right for UK market though... So fingers crossed its a new track and up-tempo....
Wishes don't always come true !!!
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 12:56:03 GMT
Have you heard this cover version.... Pretty good....nice voice..
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Post by lamont on Sept 17, 2021 13:10:35 GMT
Vinterhamn.... Well that one totally passed me by ..... Very nice little track, didn't understand a word of course... not sure if its right for UK market though... So fingers crossed its a new track and up-tempo.... Wishes don't always come true !!! Did Benny’s sound engineer not say that Little Things is a ballad?
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Post by justabba on Sept 17, 2021 13:45:34 GMT
Vinterhamn.... Well that one totally passed me by ..... Very nice little track, didn't understand a word of course... not sure if its right for UK market though... So fingers crossed its a new track and up-tempo.... Wishes don't always come true !!! Did Benny’s sound engineer not say that Little Things is a ballad? Yes indeed he said it's a ballad.
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Post by Michel on Sept 17, 2021 15:34:02 GMT
In the Dutch charts, the singles have not been able to keep their momentum. ISHFIY has dropped out of the top 100 after spending one week at number 21. And DSMD has dropped from 18 to 87.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 15:46:05 GMT
^^^^
Yes indeed he said it's a ballad.
Just hope its just speculation...lol
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Post by gamleman on Sept 17, 2021 16:02:30 GMT
For some reason, I imagined "Little Things" to be a ballad or a mid-tempo song - perhaps the title suggests it. Even if it is a ballad, it still has the potential to do well. "I Have A Dream" was not a song from the "Voulez-vous" album that I wanted as a single and I didn't expect it do well, yet it got to No 2 in the UK. And the public's appetite for gentle songs at Christmas extends to the present day - look at Ed Sheeran's "Perfect" just a few years ago.
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Post by jj on Sept 17, 2021 16:56:01 GMT
^^^^ Yes indeed he said it's a ballad.Just hope its just speculation...lol Benny's engineer said it's a ballad. If he said so, then there's no speculation. It's a ballad.
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Post by justabba on Sept 17, 2021 17:09:57 GMT
Gold is now number 12. Don't shut me down drops to 31, I still have faith in you is 55. On the download, physical and vinyl they still remain very high. Uk positions.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 17, 2021 17:32:01 GMT
^^^Alas no big surprise in all 3 dropping and no other entries .... DSMD , faired quite well and may hang around for a few weeks, ISHFIY, who knows.. I don’t know what you need to stay in the UK lower end of the charts... over to you Colin ?
Anybody any idea of what advance orders/sales of Voyage are at the moment ? ...I see it’s the best seller on Amazon ( aware this changes quite quickly ), but at the moment it’s out selling the UK number one album by Manic Street Preachers..
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 17, 2021 17:56:54 GMT
Vinterhamn.... Well that one totally passed me by ..... Very nice little track, didn't understand a word of course... not sure if its right for UK market though... It passed me by too. It really is lovely. I can hear it being sung by either or both of the ABBA women - building with their glorious harmonies and 'third voice.' Having passed under the radar as a BAO track, it might well work well for ABBA. Considering its position on the album, I wonder if that means that When You Danced With Me is more uptempo? As I've been typing, Vinterhamn has been playing on a loop in the background - it really is gorgeous. Probably the one BAO track I'd be happy to hear ABBA do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:46:51 GMT
If you listen to the last BAO album: the following songs could be easily ABBA: Ticka Ticka Väckarklocka and Summa summarum. I posted this already before in this forum. The Just Like That discussion: Benny Björn were not at all content with finding a proper verse next to the chorus. What is on ABBA undeleted is just the chorus. In 1985 they did 1 try with a verse for GEMINI. So, the song is already published. With ABBA they also had a verse, a different one than with GEMINI. Benny said many times: the chorus is beautifull, but: I never found a fitting verse. So: I don't think we will find Just Like That on the album Voyage, but for the main reason that GEMINI already had a "hit" with it (with at the end a verse Benny was not content with).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:58:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 20:14:41 GMT
I have to confess something: I am surprised that so many forum members keep on demanding Just Like That to be on VOYAGE. Wasn't Benny clear in 2017 that there is only a chorus? And that they never did find a fitting verse? Did all of you miss this message? He annouced that message after pressure from fans. Or: did I miss a message from Benny (in between 2017 and 2021) that they did find finally a fitting verse?? For ABBA Just Like That never was a complete song, because there was no verse! At least not one they were content with. So there was no song! Just a chorus. Just like that!
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Post by madonnabba on Sept 17, 2021 20:24:09 GMT
Can't see them using Just like that or rubber ball man as both had bits lifted for Under Attack. Bit in Rubber ball man resurfaced as like taking candy from a baby and just like that as under attack. I am sure it was documented somewhere. Certainly sound alike. Think hamlet 111 would transfer well into a Christmas song with tweaking of the lyrics. As for streaming . Had it been around at Abba's peak they would have been number one for longer with their popularity. I know that I constantly played the songs every waking hour. The singles charts appear to have been devalued. You cannot compare pre streaming charts with streaming charts. One was where a person had to physically buy a copy. Didn't matter if they played it once or 1000 times. It only counted once.Streaming £10 all you can stream ...every play counts whether it's one person playing it 1000 times or one person playing it once and not liking it. Totally devalued the charts.
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