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Post by lamont on Sept 19, 2021 13:25:51 GMT
I would be very suprised if little things gets a single release, universal wont want to issue on 7 inch and cd single. I think they will, with Majority of ABBA fans being older, and more likely to buy physicals. I think DSMD will get vinyl release too, but we will see. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 13:48:23 GMT
Seriously?
DSMD isn't going to get a vinyl release or video now. Too late.
Little Things won't get a physical release. The two singles peaked at 9 and 14. Very few fans bought physical copies. We are talking low thousands - and that was before the release of an album.
Simply not credible.
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Post by Michal on Sept 19, 2021 14:10:36 GMT
The two singles peaked at 9 and 14. Very few fans bought physical copies. How do you know? I thought it was exactly the opposite - the relatively high charting of the singles was caused by ABBA fans actually buying physical copies or downloading them, plus there was the initial surge of streams from curious people (even non-fans), who just wanted to hear what the new songs are about. I agree it's too late to release DSMD on vinyl now - it should have been released simultaneously with the CD-single and we might have seen even higher chart position. However it makes sense to release Little Things on physical formats because there are still people outthere who will buy it, especially if they make some nice collectibles such as picture discs or coloured vinyls - ideal for Christmas market, I think. |
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Post by justabba on Sept 19, 2021 14:26:01 GMT
Without the physical sales of the cd singles and 7 inch the songs would not have had such a high chart position. Benny said last week he still expects a 7 inch release for dont shut me down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 14:44:39 GMT
Yes, most of the singles "chart sales" were real sales not stream equivalent. And yes, they did well in the sales charts.
But sales are very low these days.
The songs were released before the album. Any song released after won't do as well. Why would people buy a physical CD single or vinyl copy if they have the album?
I can see people buying the album for Christmas but not any new single.
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Post by gamleman on Sept 19, 2021 14:44:47 GMT
To the doubters about the sales of the physical singles... This week, ISHFIY is No 2 in the UK Physical chart and DSMD is No 3. ISHFIY is still No 1 in the Vinyl Singles chart (second week at No 1). So people are buying the physical copies - they are currently among the most popular physical singles in the UK. I think Christmas is another opportunity for a physical single after the album release, but thereafter I would say no, unless they also include a previously unreleased track.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 19, 2021 15:09:58 GMT
^^^ I'm only guessing... but sales of physical singles are in the 100s, not 1000s so ISHFIY does not have to sell many to remain at number 1, Like I said I'm only guessing but at the most its only a few thousand...
That's why those charts are never referred to in statistics !!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 15:21:45 GMT
From Music Week this week
"Also brand new just inside the Top 30 is 24/5, which lands Mimi Webb her third chart hit of the year as the follow-up to Top 20 singles Good Without and Dumb Love. The new track is No.25 with 15,127 sales. One place behind is Digga D, his No.26 hit 2K17 lands itself 14,690 chart sales to become his 12th chart single, his second of the moment with Wasted still gently motoring down the Top 20 in its fifth week on sale.
Meet Me At Our Spot by Anxiety, Willow and Tyler Cole missed being credited with a chart entry last week, so let's correct that by noting its rise to No.35 with 11,466 sales. American online creator Justus Bennetts makes his chart debut at No.44 (9,595 sales) with Bad Day, and also brand new this week at No.68 (6,774 sales) is Lalisa, the debut solo single from Thai singer Lisa, better known as one quarter of Blackpink. As one half of sisterly duo Chloe x Halle, Chloe Bailey has never enjoyed a British chart hit but breaks her duck this week with her first solo single Have Mercy which sneaks in at No.72 (6,240 sales). The parade of newcomers is rounded off by Scots dance producer Ewan McVicar, No.73 (6,130 sales) with Tell Me Something Good."
#25 song 14,500
#35 song 11,500
DSMD at #31. Probably 13,000 "chart sales" - digital, physical and streams
#44 song 9,500
#68 song 6,500
ISHFIY at #55 probably sales of 8,000. Next to nothing on streams. Vinyl is #1 but probably only a couple of hundred. CD AND downloads about 7,000. Ed Sheeran has over 9,000 physical sales.
Relatively, yes physical sales are high compared to other songs now
Absolutely, sales are low especially by historic standards.
Hope this helps!
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Post by Alan on Sept 19, 2021 21:54:17 GMT
Why would people buy a physical CD single or vinyl copy if they have the album? I can see people buying the album for Christmas but not any new single. I think people would, and for the same reason they did with the first two. Let’s face it, none of us that bought the CD and vinyl singles really needed them, we’ll all have our own ways of listening to the two tracks. I bought them mainly as souvenirs. They were just one-track singles with rather boring artwork, but they could become sought-after in years to come. I didn’t want to not get them and then regret it later if prices went up. However, many of the physical sales with the two singles were from downloads (and who knew anyone still paid to download these days?). These sales would be lost by a third single that’s already on the album, and streaming (other than as part of the album) wouldn’t be there either. Finally, most of the Christmas songs we hear year after year are from the 1970s and 80s. Aside from Mariah Carey (1994), how many Christmas hits from the last 30 years do we still hear? And how many from those released were actually hits? Had this been done properly - the song not included on the album, given full video and CD/vinyl treatment - it might have had a chance, but as it stands, I’d be surprised if it made the top 50. |
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 19, 2021 22:22:32 GMT
Why would people buy a physical CD single or vinyl copy if they have the album? I can see people buying the album for Christmas but not any new single. I think people would, and for the same reason they did with the first two. Let’s face it, none of us that bought the CD and vinyl singles really needed them, we’ll all have our own ways of listening to the two tracks. I bought them mainly as souvenirs. They were just one-track singles with rather boring artwork, but they could become sought-after in years to come. I didn’t want to not get them and then regret it later if prices went up. However, many of the physical sales with the two singles were from downloads (and who knew anyone still paid to download these days?). These sales would be lost by a third single that’s already on the album, and streaming (other than as part of the album) wouldn’t be there either. Finally, most of the Christmas songs we hear year after year are from the 1970s and 80s. Aside from Mariah Carey (1994), how many Christmas hits from the last 30 years do we still hear? And how many from those released were actually hits? Had this been done properly - the song not included on the album, given full video and CD/vinyl treatment - it might have had a chance, but as it stands, I’d be surprised if it made the top 50. It's a good point. There are a couple of more recent ones, though, which just about manage to get played each year. To wit; Christmas Time (don't let the bells end) and Coldplay's Christmas Lights. But most are indeed from the 70s and 80s. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 20, 2021 7:55:49 GMT
Regarding Christmas Songs, and very few 'New' ones being Hits. There is 'One More Sleep' by Leona Lewis. No.3, (2 Weeks), in 2013. It now Re-Charts, every November and December. It has been back in the UK Top 20 for the past 3 Years, in a row. Because People like it. If she can establish a Yearly Christmas Hit, I'm sure that ABBA can. As it is, 'Happy New Year' is added to several Christmas Song Compilations, every Year - and that is only about 1 Day! Anyhow, we will see if 'Little Things' can 'establish' itself. ABBA might not even Release it as a Single, due to the first 2 Singles struggling in the Charts. We will see. I'm not 'predicting' anything. In truth - The only Country, where 'Voyage' is 100% certain to be No.1, is Sweden. That's it! Agnetha has given an Interview, in Sweden. 'The Sun', (controversial UK 'Paper), has turned it into a very negative one. 'The Sun's negativity has angered a lot of ABBA Fans. Below -- Link To 'The Sun' Article:
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 20, 2021 8:39:55 GMT
Rather cautious from Agnetha ^^ and shes the youngest !
Who knows whats going to happen and in a way i understand her, the schedule must be horrendous, or was , and I'd have reservations at 59 let alone middle 70's ..
I'm sure we will see the girls at some point, a final Hurrah ( hopefully not ), but realistically none of us are getting any younger, so it may well be ...
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Post by justabba on Sept 20, 2021 9:07:39 GMT
Personally I think we should to hear what the song is like before deciding it won't make the uk top 50.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 20, 2021 9:38:58 GMT
More rumours of Adele releasing her new album....
Could be a Titanic battle...
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Post by gamleman on Sept 20, 2021 9:48:10 GMT
Rather cautious from Agnetha ^^ and shes the youngest ! Who knows whats going to happen and in a way i understand her, the schedule must be horrendous, or was , and I'd have reservations at 59 let alone middle 70's .. I'm sure we will see the girls at some point, a final Hurrah ( hopefully not ), but realistically none of us are getting any younger, so it may well be ... You took the words right out of my mouth, foreverfan. I think Agnetha is just being very cautious - I can relate to that and I am quite a bit younger than Agnetha (the same age as you). I have learnt that you just don't know what is going to occur to quash your plans. I managed to get a ticket for the opening night of the ABBAtars and I'm really hoping Agnetha will be there, as she's the only one I haven't seen, but I will count myself lucky if I make it there myself. But let's be positive - they all had the stamina to do the 5 weeks of quite physical work for the ABBAtars show, so there is a fair chance that they will all appear together at the opening night or at some other event in the future. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 20, 2021 9:50:34 GMT
If ABBA have to 'battle' against both Ed Sheeran and Adele, in the Global Album Charts,
then ABBA will most likely 'lose' and 'settle in' to the No.3 Position, with 'Voyage'. It does
not mean that ABBA won't manage a 1 Week No.1 Position, in some Countries. Or a No.2
Position - maybe 2 or 3 - and then a fall to No.3. The other 2 Acts can have big Hit Singles,
to Promote their Albums, and ABBA can no longer do that.
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Post by Alan on Sept 20, 2021 10:43:10 GMT
Personally I think we should to hear what the song is like before deciding it won't make the uk top 50. Sadly it’s got nothing to do with how good the song is or isn’t. Its chances are slim because it will already be on an album by then. |
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Post by Alan on Sept 20, 2021 10:50:08 GMT
Posting this here in case anyone hasn’t seen it in another topic. It’s probably not the best translation - probably just been put through Google Translate - so some of the sentiment may be lost but it gives us a rough idea even if it reads awkwardly in places. I don’t think The Sun gave a link to the whole interview. |
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 20, 2021 11:18:49 GMT
Regarding "Little Things", and as always until it happens pure speculation.....(.Please no Children singing, lol a choir is ok and perhaps a few bells and trumpets....)
If and I guess a big if , its released as an official single, it would probably have to be released at the same time as the album, now is that to early ? again probably yes.. as the " Christmas season " doesn't really kick in here, in the UK, until December... so momentum may be lost...
Also as stated on here, we DON'T know what all of the other tracks are like, ( including Just A Notion, lyrics may be the same musically ? who knows ) and also as stated there are probably " better " and " worse " tracks than what we already have had....
Also I believe i stated, once an album is released, ironically us few fans have very little control of what the public likes and what will chart ( if any ), only 3 from an album each week, if they qualify, therefore i could see "Little Things" being over looked in favour of the others, Ironically I can see Just A Notion being popular, " the ABBA sound "
Along with Colin, I've been a chart watcher for more years than i care to count, ( I'm not as good..lol ), but alas its a different world now and even I/We are being realistic , and the fun has gone out of the charts...but that's moving with the times....So alas for me its now not the be all and end all, that said Id still love to see another number one album , but I'm now resigned to ABBA being stuck on 9 number one singles... Shame....
So I believe that Little Things will need to be instantly like-able, not a grower, as it will end up like HNY, and be played randomly each festive season without charting in the UK...
So I'm back to time will tell and wait and see...
PS.. I'm surprised nothing has been leaked .... so far !!
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Post by Michel on Sept 20, 2021 11:35:40 GMT
More rumours of Adele releasing her new album.... Could be a Titanic battle... I've read that Adele wiil release her album on 10 December. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 20, 2021 15:43:33 GMT
Regarding "Little Things", and as always until it happens pure speculation.....(.Please no Children singing, lol a choir is ok and perhaps a few bells and trumpets....) If and I guess a big if , its released as an official single, it would probably have to be released at the same time as the album, now is that to early ? again probably yes.. as the " Christmas season " doesn't really kick in here, in the UK, until December... so momentum may be lost... Also as stated on here, we DON'T know what all of the other tracks are like, ( including Just A Notion, lyrics may be the same musically ? who knows ) and also as stated there are probably " better " and " worse " tracks than what we already have had.... Also I believe i stated, once an album is released, ironically us few fans have very little control of what the public likes and what will chart ( if any ), only 3 from an album each week, if they qualify, therefore i could see "Little Things" being over looked in favour of the others, Ironically I can see Just A Notion being popular, " the ABBA sound " Along with Colin, I've been a chart watcher for more years than i care to count, ( I'm not as good..lol ), but alas its a different world now and even I/We are being realistic , and the fun has gone out of the charts...but that's moving with the times....So alas for me its now not the be all and end all, that said Id still love to see another number one album , but I'm now resigned to ABBA being stuck on 9 number one singles... Shame.... So I believe that Little Things will need to be instantly like-able, not a grower, as it will end up like HNY, and be played randomly each festive season without charting in the UK... So I'm back to time will tell and wait and see... PS.. I'm surprised nothing has been leaked .... so far !! I think that if ABBA formally push a given track as a single - and enhance its chances by releasing it physically and making a video - it might easily outperform any other album track that had made it to the singles chart? Other acts push singles from already-released albums, so I hope that ABBA could do likewise without too much hassle. Given its theme, it's possible that radio stations might choose to playlist Little Things over the festive season anyway? It'll be interesting to hear how diverse the album is (Agnetha seems to have hinted that there are lots of styles or themes). The two singles released already couldn't be more different - ISHFIY is "deep dive ABBA" and could have appeared on either of the last two albums; DSMD sounds like it could sit with the 1982 tracks or the non-disco 1978 tracks - it's kinda "Gold ABBA." Imagine if there was a stone-cold classic among the remaining tracks, just waiting to take the charts by storm? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 16:26:54 GMT
I agree with ForeverFan regarding any Christmas single.
It would have to be catchy. Ballads tend not to be.
It is unkikely to be physically released.
Of course it could still chart without being released.
Both ISHFIY and DSMD could re-enter chart as Voyage is released.
I hope Adele doesn't release her album until December.
Let's hope there are various musical styles. The Visitors was too heavy.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Sept 20, 2021 20:17:27 GMT
'Happy New Year' does not Chart in the UK, because it is only about 1 Day. A Christmas Themed
Song, is about a Season. The 2 things are very different. 'Happy New Year' is added to a lot of UK
Christmas Songs Albums. However, if 'Little Things' is any good, that will start to be added to UK
Christmas Albums. after all, that one is about the Christmas Season.
I've checked, and - as I recalled correctly - Christmas Songs start in 'invade' the UK Singles Chart,
in, (about), Week 3 of November. not December. They just get much higher by December. Last Year,
in the W/E 24th December Chart, there were over 20 Old Christmas Hits in the UK Top 40. With 6 of
them in the Top 10, and 3 of the Top 5, were Christmas Oldies. November and December are the only
Months, when 'Old' Acts can still have big Hit Singles. I hope that ABBA are aware of that.
'Don't Shut Me Down' is at No.42 in today's UK Mid Week Chart. 'I Still Have Faith In You' is at No.78.
So, it looks as though both Singles will get a 3rd Week, in the Weekly UK Top 100, on Friday. I do
hope that some Fans are not expecting 'Voyage' to 'behave', as the Singles did, when that is Released.
The UK Album Chart is not Streams dominated, so 'Old' Acts can make far more impact in the Album
Chart. There is no doubt that 'Voyage' will be a Top 3 Album in the UK and Overseas. That is certain.
If it can reach No.1, is the uncertainty. As is how long it can stay there, if it manages to get to No.1.
They are the great uncertainties, about 'Voyage'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 4:59:53 GMT
Onlyabba4meagain
Clearly Voyage won't crash out of the charts quickly like the singles.
But its first week sales are likely to be its peak sales. If it doesn't get to #1 on its opening week it may have missed its chance.
Ed Sheeran's 2nd week sales for his last proper album was 300,000. What will it - and ABBA'debut week sales be?
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Post by bennybjorn on Sept 21, 2021 8:14:46 GMT
Onlyabba4meagain Clearly Voyage won't crash out of the charts quickly like the singles. But its first week sales are likely to be its peak sales. If it doesn't get to #1 on its opening week it may have missed its chance. Ed Sheeran's 2nd week sales for his last proper album was 300,000. What will it - and ABBA'debut week sales be? Was that 300,000 for second week in the UK? Surely not? Big chart acts like Taylor Swift tend to sell 50-100,000 in week 1 (UK), then drop down to 20,000 or so in Week 2. I imagine Abba could get anywhere between 50,000 and 100,000 in week 1 in the UK, too, unless reviews are awful and the next single gets ignored by radio - both of which are pretty unlikely. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 8:33:21 GMT
Yes it was week 2
Week 1 672,000
Week 2 303,000
Almost a million on first 2 weeks.
Adele had 800,000+ on first week of her last album.
Pretty stupid for ABBA/Universal to release it so close to Sheeran.
Adele album now looks closer to Christmas.
Ordinarily, you can get to #1 on 30-40000 sales. ABBA's timing sucks!
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 21, 2021 9:04:29 GMT
The planning required to keep this album secret would have made it very difficult to strategise with other labels about staggering releases that might end up in a chart battle. I'm sure the singles' chart careers will have helped everyone manage their expectations on what might happen in the album charts. Yes, a Number 1 position would ice a very nice cake but, when all is said and done, we're experiencing something none of us ever expected: we have new ABBA music! Everything else is gravy.
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Post by Michal on Sept 21, 2021 12:56:22 GMT
Onlyabba4meagain Clearly Voyage won't crash out of the charts quickly like the singles. But its first week sales are likely to be its peak sales. If it doesn't get to #1 on its opening week it may have missed its chance. Ed Sheeran's 2nd week sales for his last proper album was 300,000. What will it - and ABBA'debut week sales be? I imagine Abba could get anywhere between 50,000 and 100,000 in week 1 in the UK, too, unless reviews are awful and the next single gets ignored by radio - both of which are pretty unlikely. ABBA will have much more than 100000 sales in week 1, as 100000 units were pre-ordered during the first week after the announcement of the release date alone. I suppose the pre-orders are even higher by now, plus there will be sales in the shops by people, who have not pre-ordered the album and you have to add some downloads and streams. How much we can hope for is hard to tell, but my guess is at least 200000. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 15:36:46 GMT
I don't think Ed Sheeran's album will debut with 600k+ like last time or 300k in 2nd week. Streaming more entrenched than 2017. Yes, Know streams are counted but a lot of streams for one real sale.
He was at his commercial peak then. Maybe 400k and 200k.
ABBA *could* get 200k in first week - just in pure sales.
Here's hoping anyway.
Yep, I know the music is the important thing but a #1 album would be nice.
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Post by gazman on Sept 21, 2021 17:23:47 GMT
The Amazon UK sales chart for CDs and Vinyl gives us a clue...
It includes pre-orders as well as current sales. 'Voyage' has been consistently out-performing Ed Sheeran's forthcoming album there since the ABBA livestream.
As at 6pm UK time on 21st September, 'Voyage' remains at number 1 with Ed at 2.
This signals to me that Ed will have a clear number 1 album after his first week of sales, but ABBA will comfortably win the battle the following week. Of course, we still don't know about Adele's album, but Sony would be foolish to go for the same date as ABBA.
I am convinced 'Voyage' will enter the album chart at number 1 in the UK.
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