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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:38:34 GMT
Madonnabba, I found your post very interesting. I cannot wait for the new album " Voyage ". I love both the new songs. I too, am very curious and eager to hear the other brand new songs with the exception of JAN which I was never too keen on but I'm sure the re-worked version won't disappoint. Like you I am concerned with " There's Something About Dan ". I would prefer the song to feature lead vocals from Agnetha or Frida rather than Bjorn. Apparently, I have heard from a friend that " Bumblebee " is a completely new song. That's good to know. I,also,listened to Agnetha's recent interview on Swedish radio and enjoyed it. Welcome back, ABBA from all of us fans !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:47:02 GMT
Johnny, can you remember Agnetha was interviewed by Carol Vorderman on " Loose Women " when she was promoting her brilliant album " A " ( which I love ) back in May 2013 ? I really enjoyed it. Agnetha was so lovely and gracious during the show. Both Frida and Agnetha still manage to radiate charm, grace and beauty. I don't think we can completely rule out a possible interview. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 13:46:17 GMT
^I didn't know Agnetha was interviewed on Loose Women.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 14:01:32 GMT
Johnny, yes she was interviewed by Carol Vorderman on " Loose Women " on 16th May 2013 while promoting her solo album " A ". You missed out on a real treat there. Never mind !
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Post by Alan on Oct 3, 2021 14:37:36 GMT
The One Show is pretty much the type of show they experienced in 70s/early 80s. But Graham Norton? Jonathan Ross? Loose Women??? I think Agnetha + Frida will have to make the effort and show their faces. We all have to do things we don't like. As Eddie points out, Agnetha was interviewed for Loose Women in 2013 (think it was a pre-recorded insert though, she wasn’t live in the studio). She was also interviewed by Graham Norton, though for his radio show. Agnetha did lots of interviews for that album, more than she perhaps needed to. At one point it seemed like you couldn’t turn on the TV without seeing or hearing about an interview with her! I think there’s perhaps some laziness on her part. She knows that Björn will jump at any chance to be interviewed and he’ll talk about anything. With her own album, she didn’t have that support, she had to do it herself. Plus ABBA are much bigger than Agnetha as a solo act, so she may think her involvement isn’t really needed. She’s done the hard work - recorded the album and all the motion capture stuff - so has nothing more to prove. However, Agnetha has at least been interviewed recently, even if it was only for a Swedish radio show. We haven’t heard from Frida. Recently, a signed CD and vinyl single of ISHFIY was sold to raise funds for a Swedish charity. Björn, Benny and Agnetha had signed them, but not Frida. It’s made me wonder (with no evidence whatsoever) if the “minor ailments” alluded to by Agnetha in the recent interview may relate more to Frida in particular? That Agnetha might be more forthcoming in promotional activities if Frida was able to be? |
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Post by lamont on Oct 3, 2021 19:53:00 GMT
Has anyone noticed that Frida had a walking cane when she was photographed with Thomas Ledin at a wedding, also if you look closely at the video footage when the four of them are round the piano, and they turn to walk away, it looks as if Frida picks something up, I initially thought it was a microphone, but again, it looks like a cane too, and the footage of them recreating the concert, you don’t really see Frida’s face, a huge mechanical beam is in her way.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 3, 2021 20:00:02 GMT
Yes, lamont, I noticed that too. I wonder whether it's something that she needs occasionally, given that she seems to be standing in the shots where she's recording vocals? If a cane is a regular feature of her life, I imagine the motion-capture work may have been quite hard on her. |
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Post by lamont on Oct 3, 2021 20:05:01 GMT
Yes, lamont, I noticed that too. I wonder whether it's something that she needs occasionally, given that she seems to be standing in the shots where she's recording vocals? If a cane is a regular feature of her life, I imagine the motion-capture work may have been quite hard on her. Someone said she had a cane in 2016 at the Mamma Mia Party in Stockholm, but I never saw any pics. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Oct 3, 2021 23:39:41 GMT
So, at Pop Justice, the same Guy who was right about a 10 Track ABBA Album, is saying, that we will soon
have another big surprise from ABBA. At first, there were rumours of it being, an ABBA TV Special, or even
a Biographical Film, about ABBA. (Even though Bjorn has said that ABBA will never consent to it). However,
a 'source', from somewhere, has said that we are getting a 3rd New ABBA Single - very soon. The 3rd Single,
is said to be Track 2 off 'Voyage' - 'When You Danced With Me'. It's now quite normal, for an Act to Release
3 or 4 Singles, off an Album, within a short period. In ABBA's case, their Singles do not have long Chart stays,
due to a lack of Streaming. As well as a lack of Airplay. So, to help to Promote 'Voyage', they may feel that 3
or 4 Singles, are one of the best ways to do that. 'When You Danced With Me' is only 2.50 long - just 4 Seconds
longer than 'Waterloo'. So, if it is a Single, the CD, and Vinyl Formats, will be rather poor value for money, if they
are to be the same Prices, as those for 'ISHFIY' etc. After all, the Single will only have Music on 1 Side, too. But.
it may not be true, that it is to be a Single.
At present, the UK's Best Selling Album of 2021, has sold just over 320,000 copies. That is how low most Album
Sales are, these Days. But, not all Albums sell so poorly. Both Ed Sheeran's, and Adele's New ones, should sell
more than that, in a matter of Day's. I've no idea how many 'Voyage' will sell. Some think, that it will be a huge
UK, and Global Seller. Others are more cautious, and see it selling the same as 'More ABBA Gold'. In the UK, that
is on around 450,000 to 460,000 Sales. But, even if 'Voyage' 'only' sold that many, in the UK, it would enough for
it to be the Year's 3rd Best Seller - behind Ed and Adele. You can see how Album Sales have fallen. 'More ABBA Gold'
reached No.14 in 1993 and No.13 in 1999. So, its 450,000+ Sales were not enough for it to be a Top 10 Album. But,
personally, I can see 'Voyage' selling a lot more than 450,000+ in the UK. It had over 80,000 UK Orders, in 3 Days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 6:04:30 GMT
I am not sure if it is a good idea to release a new single.
The last 2 had a lot of publicity. This won't. As you say Onlyabba4meagain, it won't get airplay.
Streams will be low and no point buying it with album out soon. That's if it will be a single.
UK sales of Voyage? Dunno. My hunch more than More Gold but not as high as The Visitors. 600,000 and double platinum? A wild guess only!!
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 4, 2021 7:46:09 GMT
I can't say I'm too surprised by the decision to release a new single. In terms of how music is promoted these days, the gap between the first two singles and the album release date seemed long. If they've chosen another uptempo number with some "classic ABBA flourishes" then it might be received well. True, the massive novelty value of the comeback has been diluted now, but it'll almost certainly be playlisted on Radio 2. Hopefully, that clapperboard image from Instagram signals a proper video. A lot of acts - including heritage acts - seem to treat pre-album singles as "buzz tracks" rather than attempted hits. I wonder if ABBA have settled into that new (for them) way of thinking? Physical formats will be key to any chart performance, I suspect. If it's another relatively danceable song, a remix could be interesting... Then again, you could count on your fingers the amount of times an approved remix emerged. Probably better to avoid getting our hopes up on that front. Let's just enjoy the pre-album treat. We don't have to buy the physical editions if we feel short-changed. The completists among us will probably enjoy having a nice new bauble for their/our collections, so it's smiles all round, hopefully. Edit: just for giggles, here's a l'il nonsense I made up and not in any way a leaked sleeve or whatever...  |
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Post by gamleman on Oct 4, 2021 8:20:49 GMT
I rather expected "When You Danced With Me" to be a single, for the reasons I outlined earlier on page 85. I would say that the best time to release a new single would be a week or two before the album release date, to remind people that ABBA have a new album coming out. If it had a full video featuring the ABBAtars, this would attract extra attention. But I agree that unless it is really spectacular (a "Dancing Queen"), its purpose would be to promote the album rather than to achieve chart success. I would want a physical release, but this time I would like to see it paired with a B-side or double A-side, preferably a new non-album track - or as HOMETIME suggested, an extended remix. How about a 12-inch single and equivalent CD-single featuring extended mixes of WYDWM and DSMD? I guess a physical release could actually come later - they could, for example, pair it with "Little Things" for Christmas. But I'm probably getting carried away. I don't actually want to hear too many songs from the album before its release - I already know three (inc. "Just A Notion") and now it looks like we might hear WYDWM in advance.
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Post by Alan on Oct 4, 2021 8:42:39 GMT
It certainly makes a lot of sense to release a third single before the album rather than after. They’d better hurry up though, there are only four Fridays left before the album release date.
In the meantime, has anyone seen this interview clip from Benny explaining why Just Like That won’t be released? Hopefully it puts it to bed once and for all:
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 4, 2021 8:52:10 GMT
^^^ Its always tricky releasing new tracks from a new album isn't it, as far as Im aware its literally for awareness and not for the hit single especially for " older " acts, I guess Agnetha and A was a classic example in our fandom and helped promote the album back to number 6. With only one track getting into the charts at 99, Thats going back a number of years now, so I guess its even tougher now.
If the rumour is true, its going to be interesting to see what happens, I agree Radio 2 will play it a lot and if a physical release , it may do the same as DSMD in its first week, one thing it will need is a video.....and Im cautious of this happening as if ABBAtars what effect will that have on the show next year.. ?? Better people than me will have worked it out no doubt....
So what happens next, would they actually release a 4th single, as In Little Things, or will they just rely on people hearing it and downloading without it ever being an official release. 4 tracks from the album would be unusual for ABBA , but not unknown. My guess is that they will release possibly WYDWM as rumour has it , then early December Little Things....
All ifs buts and maybes.....
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Post by gamleman on Oct 4, 2021 9:13:59 GMT
I think Agnetha's "A" jumped from #43 to re-peak at #6 in the UK as a result of the BBC broadcasting the documentary "Agnetha: ABBA and After" (rather than a consequence of the singles from the album). This illustrates the importance of TV exposure.
My feeling is that a full video of the ABBAtars for a new single (or for DSMD) would bring with it significant exposure (TV and otherwise). I believe they have almost sold the first 3-month tranche of tickets and are about the release a second tranche. Benny (or Bjorn) commented to the effect that people have so far been buying tickets without really knowing what they're going to get. An ABBAtars video could therefore firm up our expectations of the ABBAtars and be part of promoting the release of the next tranche of tickets, as well as the album.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 4, 2021 9:28:32 GMT
Agree with the TV exposure ^^ totally helped....
So are we going to be treated to some ? who knows, It would be good to see the girls, I think we are all old enough and realistic to know they, are politely put not in the first flush of youth, but I think it would be great to see them......All 4 together in one place, rather than the Take A Chance On Me version 4 different parts of the world...
I'm grateful for what we are getting and its exciting times, and Id like it to go one for a bit longer yet before the inevitable fading from the media ....
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 4, 2021 9:32:13 GMT
Alan is right: they'd need to get a wiggle on if they're putting out a pre-album single. IMO, anything later than 15 October is pushing it. If the video is all ABBAtar and no historic footage, then the show gets a really big boost (just in time for that new tranche of tickets?). DSMD is still getting decent airplay, so I'd be confident that the next single will get playlisted too. Who knows - it could even be Record Of The Week on stations like Radio 2. Then, a couple of weeks later, the album drops with renewed fanfare and becomes album of the week on key stations everywhere... I think things are looking really good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 9:32:54 GMT
It could be that the first four songs from Voyage are singles.
Yep, I think the singles are just promotion for the albums.
Gentleman - it was Benny who said ticket sales were going well, despite people not knowing what they were getting.
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Post by bennybjorn on Oct 4, 2021 10:27:46 GMT
So, the album appears in just a month's time. You can normally expect the first reviews to come through around now, but maybe they're keeping it under wraps for as long as possible?
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 4, 2021 14:14:10 GMT
Not sure about 30 being linked to Adele. I think it might be to do with climate change and the upcoming conference in Glasgow. 30 years would take us to 2051. The conference was originally to have taken place in 2020. Might explain the numbers appearing all over the world. Not sure if she would want to go up against Ed. He seems to be dominating the charts at present. Although I am hopeful that Abba could take at least one week off him. Abba aside, I would rather Ed was number one than Adele. She needs to move on to more uplifting songs. The minute I hear that voice it's change the chanel time. The Abba shows playing to 21000 people a week may help sales throughout the duration of its occupancy. Outwith the big release period, it doesn't take much to get to number one these days, so still in with a chance next year. Whether number one or otherwise the sales will be impressive for a band which split almost 40 years ago. Doubt if Ed or Adele will be able to sell as they do now in 40 years. Once the cds and vinyl hit the shelves including supermarkets, the sales should be impressive. More visible. Most of the people I have spoken to , to date are aware Abba are releasing material but have yet to hear the two lead singles. The Mamma Mia dvd release sold in huge numbers on it irst day and week helped by being visible in shops everywhere. Even Ed and Adele could not compete with the first day and week sales of the Abba related musical. I know I have gone for groceries and bought a cd or book when there either because it was conveniently available or I was unaware of its release. If Gold can sell nearly 6 million over 30 years who knows how many of those buyers might be tempted to indulge in the new album as they cruise the shopping aisles. As for the contents of the album . With every album, I buy Abha or not there is usually one or two which are growers with me. With Super Trouper it was Happy new year. I now love that song but I wish now that they have been back on the studio that they would change the 89 lyric. It dates the song. Change it to something like ....what lies waiting down the line, through the passage of time ...or the through the journey that is time. I'm sure Bjorn could come up with something. It would make the song timeless. Of the track titles, my concerns are over Keep a, n eye on Dan. Fears of another TFTPOO. However we did not ask them to leave in 1982, we are bewildered at their return and I am.keeping an open mind over all the tracks.See what I did there? Maybe Keep an eye on Dan will be my favourite. I keep humming it to the chorus of Rubber ball man...... Keep an eye on Dan, Rubber ball man. I am sick and tired of hearing about Global Warming and Climate Change can we not bring it into an ABBA forum as its to do with their wonderful and not some so called event that is not worth worrying aboutThe post from yesterday that you quoted is focused on a new album by Adele. It simply suggests that the "30" projections might have something to do with a forthcoming conference rather than an album title. It's not a debate about climate change. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 15:22:13 GMT
It certainly makes a lot of sense to release a third single before the album rather than after. They’d better hurry up though, there are only four Fridays left before the album release date. In the meantime, has anyone seen this interview clip from Benny explaining why Just Like That won’t be released? Hopefully it puts it to bed once and for all: I posted on page 82 on the 17th of September about this. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Oct 4, 2021 15:23:52 GMT
Please let us try to be polite with each other. We all have our views on 'Political' things, that
go on in this World. I have almost 2000 Books, and many are on 'Controversial' Subjects.
But, I never, ever say my views here, as many would disagree with me, and before we know
it, we'd all be rowing. So - please let us just keep to discussing ABBA, in this Thread, and at
this Site. We need 'places' to relax from the horrors of the World. This is one such place. Let
us be calm, and value our time at this Site. Thank You. Colin.
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Post by chron on Oct 4, 2021 15:34:06 GMT
"The opinion that art should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude" - George Orwell
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Post by Alan on Oct 4, 2021 16:42:45 GMT
- I posted on page 82 on the 17th of September about this. Sorry. It was showing on YouTube as only being posted a day ago so I assumed it was new. This is such a big topic now that it’s quite time-consuming to try and go back and find anything that’s been posted before! |
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 4, 2021 17:11:19 GMT
My comment was not political and I was merely offering a reason for the possible projections of 30 on various landmarks as it was suggested in a previous post it could be linked to a forthcoming album release by Adele. No one really knows why 3O is appearing all over the world. Had it been an anniversary of some event I would have offered it as a suggestion.That would not mean that I am offering an opinion on an event. The main part of my post was not focused on 30 but Abba.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 17:25:08 GMT
^I for one didn't think your post was political.
Can people stop quoting whole long threads. Just make your point.
Future Singles.
They won't fare well in the charts. But as pointed out they are just promotion tools for the albums.
In theory ABBA could have up to 3 tracks charting at the same time. But given Shut peaked at 50 and Faith at 72 in the Streaming charts - this would appear unlikely.
Shut is #59 in Midweeks. Looks like it will stay in Top 100 for another week - or two.
Gold is #14.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 22:55:46 GMT
To be honest I am just a tad disappointed that both the new ABBA singles didn't reach the top 5 in the charts. It is disgraceful Radio 1 refused to play both the ABBA songs. I cannot understand why. I certainly won't be spending my money on today's current artists in the charts as ABBA have more talent than any of these so called artists of today and I never listen to boring Radio 1. ABBA Gold continues to sell as per Johnny's statistics above.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 7:31:32 GMT
The 2 singles were presented as 'freebies' from the start ie go to a streaming site to hear them.
No promotion of them being available on CD or to download. Perhaps my fans didn't realise they were available.
The focus last month was the new album out next month not the singles.
ABBA needed sales of the singles for them to have done better. The charts are stream dominated but sales can make a difference - especially for older artists like ABBA.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 5, 2021 8:04:58 GMT
The problem with Radio 1 - and has been for about 40 years - is ageism. I listened to the chart announcement when the two singles first entered and the presenter played DSMD but it seemed grudging. There was no question that she'd play ISHFIY - it's just so extremely different to their usual playlist. It seems funny now and hard to believe, but I remember people of an older generation dismissing ABBA (and other contemporary acts now also seen as legends) for being tuneless/talentless. We might be turning into our parents, Eddie!!
Johnny has hit on an important point about streaming. At this stage, people have been conditioned to expect music for free. I don't know if anyone managed to get the vinyl or CD editions from their local record shops (I couldn't) - but getting the physical editions was not easy. I found the Voyage site difficult to buy from, and ended up buying from the Museum shop. Even Amazon couldn't be relied upon. So you had to be fairly determined to get the CDs/vinyl because, even when you could order online, you had to factor in delivery charges too. I'm one of the lucky ones that could afford to jump through those hoops, but it won't be the same for everyone. Maybe the singles were just promotional, with a nod to collectors/completists? Were the chart placings just gravy for ABBA/Universal?
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 5, 2021 9:58:31 GMT
Streaming has ruined the charts. Hope they revisit it. One listen per device should count towards chart performance. That would be a better measure of the popularity of a song. Although actually paying for each song would be better. You won't pay for something you don't like. Streaming is so cheap...all you can listen to for £10 per month. Looking forward to getting a physical copy of the new album. Hopefully the album will be readily available in the shops come the day.
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