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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 9:59:17 GMT
If ABBA/Universal wanted the 2 songs to be bigger they could have released them anytime since 2017/18.
Releasing them without an album on the horizon - and indeed before ABBA decided to record more songs, would have made more people want to own copies/download.
Why link it to the Abbatars show?
If released much earlier they would have been familiar hits by the time the show was a reality.
They both *could* have been much bigger hits.
As for their actual release, yes, a lack of knowledge but also supply as Hometime suggests.
It took me 3 weeks to get hold of Don't Shut Me Down on CD. Postage is if course each so adding to costs too.
They were often out of stock at Amazon. This wasn't high demand - but low supply.
I couldn't find the vinyl version of I Still Have Faith in You anywhere - apart from the Museum shop. Then, I couldn't be bothered.
Fair to say a missed opportunity to have bigger hit singles - even in the age of streaming.
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Post by Alan on Oct 5, 2021 10:16:46 GMT
Not sure where everyone lives, but within the UK it was quite easy to get the singles. I ordered from the Voyage site and they arrived in three days. They are just souvenirs though, I don’t see them as proper CD or vinyl singles. I don’t think there was any real intention for them to be big hits and the fact that they sold as well as they did may have come as a surprise to the record company.
Maybe I just see things differently. To me, singles are just a promotional tool designed to get airplay and generate interest in an album. Anything else is a bonus.
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Post by justabba on Oct 5, 2021 10:38:13 GMT
I ordered cd singles and vinyl from Abba voyage and they arrived the following day. They were easily available from amazon once they had stock. There was was delay in them having them at all, and never the vinyl single.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 11:04:29 GMT
Clearly I should have ordered from the Voyage site. Don't Shut Me Down took over 3 weeks to arrive.
Yep. I guess they were seen as souvenirs. But *could* have been bigger hits if released long before any album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 13:10:51 GMT
Tony, I agree with you about Radio 1. They are very biased towards certain acts. They continue to praise artists such as Adele and Ed Sheeran and pour scorn over older artists/bands such as ABBA. I do like Adele and Ed Sheeran but maybe they are little overrated. Incidentally, I think Robbie Williams is massively overrated. I have never liked his music. I also, agree with Madonnabba streaming has ruined the music industry. An old " fuddy duddy " like myself doesn't have a clue about streaming music. Call me old fashioned or a luddite whatever. Bring back the old days. Everything was so simple then.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 5, 2021 14:07:28 GMT
Adele has just ended speculation: she's back on 15 October with a new single, Easy On Me. Very short snippet in the attached tweet suggests that no wheels appear to have been reinvented - but, hey, that could be clever misdirection. Can't imagine the album will be too far behind.
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 5, 2021 14:47:00 GMT
I find it difficult to be positive about Adele. Don't why she is so popular. Now that she is over 30, will radio one play her? Can't imagine her music would fit in with their target audience.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 5, 2021 15:03:01 GMT
Its all hypocritical really, by Radio one, refusing to play over ( insert Age) , it should be irrelevant of age ..music is what matters...........
I find Adele very Beige, she needs to up her game, lol.... Ed Sheeran, I've grown to like some of his tracks, whether both will be around as ABBA has been, remains to be seen in 40 years time , ask me 2062 if I'm still alive !! unlikely..100..lol.. but you know what I mean...But I do find it incredible that both acts are as popular as they are.. I guess they said the same of Elvis.......
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 15:16:25 GMT
I don't understand the appeal of Ed Sheeran or Adele either.
Adele's 21 album did have a couple of mega hits - Rolling in the Deep and Somebody Like You. Both were rather good.
I think that's why her follow up 25 sold so much. But that was in 2015. Streaming was new.
Now sales have collapsed and streaming is so dominant.
I can't see her new album selling anything near like her last one.
a) previous album not good
b) long time ago since last album - and Adele not in limelight much
c) market has changed
d) probably no good catchy tune from new album!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 15:32:04 GMT
Thanks Tony, I will listen to Adele's new song and do you know it has given me an idea. After I have listened to it I will compare it to both the ABBA singles. ABBA will win no contest. I am not keen on Ed Sheeran's new one. Johnny, I don't understand why Adele and Ed Sheeran are so favoured even though I do like both but not as much as I like ABBA.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Oct 5, 2021 16:39:01 GMT
I am sick and tired of hearing about Global Warming and Climate Change can we not bring it into an ABBA forum as its to do with their wonderful and not some so called event that is not worth worrying aboutThe post from yesterday that you quoted is focused on a new album by Adele. It simply suggests that the "30" projections might have something to do with a forthcoming conference rather than an album title. It's not a debate about climate change. I am sorry about that but I am just so fed up of hearing about Global Warming and Climate Change please forgive me if I caused any offence |
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 5, 2021 18:12:07 GMT
It's alright Adam, we are all Abba fans and united in our love of Abba. We make up with each other the way old friends do. Happy days as we draw closer to the 5th November. I for one will have Voyage on repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 19:08:27 GMT
Anyone see this? Extended remix of Don't Shut Me Down
Looking again at Voyage website, you can buy Abbatars tickets, pre-order album and listen to the singles.
You can buy the singles but have to search the website. The focus is sales for show and album - not singles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2021 22:31:40 GMT
We are all fed up hearing about climate change, global warming, Brexit, Coronavirus etc. The media are very quick to hype it all up even more. Some light relief is very welcome in the shape of ABBA returning with a new album and ABBAtar concert next year. When we all hear the other new songs we will have plenty to discuss and forget about the gloom and doom. The extended mix of DSMD is brilliant, Johnny.
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Post by Alan on Oct 6, 2021 11:03:24 GMT
Stating the obvious here, but Voyage will be the first ABBA album (of those that have proper titles) not to have a title track. Title tracks were common in ABBA’s day but much less so now. Arrival only has one because they decided to name the instrumental after it, and Super Trouper because they came up with a song to fit the title at the last minute, but clearly there was a desire to have them in those days.
However, it doesn’t mean that one of the seven tracks we’ve never heard before doesn’t contain the title somewhere in the lyrics. I Still Have Faith in You is about a journey from then to now, and the album artwork suggests some kind of space theme. When the title was first revealed, the first thing I thought of was the Voyager space probes that visited the four outer planets in the 1980s. Or the “These are the voyages…” speech from various Star Trek captains!
The live show will presumably be a voyage through time and space but I hope there’s more of a link to the album as well. Not necessarily a concept but some kind of link between all ten tracks.
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Post by gamleman on Oct 6, 2021 11:57:10 GMT
Stating the obvious here, but Voyage will be the first ABBA album (of those that have proper titles) not to have a title track. Title tracks were common in ABBA’s day but much less so now. Arrival only has one because they decided to name the instrumental after it, and Super Trouper because they came up with a song to fit the title at the last minute, but clearly there was a desire to have them in those days. However, it doesn’t mean that one of the seven tracks we’ve never heard before doesn’t contain the title somewhere in the lyrics. I Still Have Faith in You is about a journey from then to now, and the album artwork suggests some kind of space theme. When the title was first revealed, the first thing I thought of was the Voyager space probes that visited the four outer planets in the 1980s. Or the “These are the voyages…” speech from various Star Trek captains! The live show will presumably be a voyage through time and space but I hope there’s more of a link to the album as well. Not necessarily a concept but some kind of link between all ten tracks. We can hope that there is a track called "Voyage" that isn't on the album but may be released separately. Big Country did this for their first album "The Crossing" - the title track is not on the album but was included as an extra track on a 12-inch single. A most odd situation, I know. This is really grasping at straws - I'm really not expecting ABBA to do this  |
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Post by Alan on Oct 6, 2021 12:11:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 16:23:59 GMT
Thanks Alan for posting the Twitter link.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 6, 2021 16:24:58 GMT
^^^^^^ Interesting, especially comments on Little Things.... A gentle song...
Potentially bad news , just in case Little Things is released as a Christmas single........ Guess who is also releasing a single.... Yes.. good old Ed Sheeran in collaboration with Elton John, riding on the success of his latest single for Elton and of course the momentum of Ed...Hopefully everyone will have had enough of Ed being number one forever..
And of course lets not forget Adele... God knows what shes going to do.....
So it looks like it could be a fight to number 1 in more ways than one... or some stupid " Sausage Roll " track.... (UK pathetic number one for past three years !!! )...
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Post by Alan on Oct 6, 2021 16:55:44 GMT
^^ How bloody predictable! Is there anyone left that Elton “friends with anyone famous” John hasn’t done a duet with? Recently it was Dua Lipa. Kylie has just done another duet with Years and Years. Just seems really sad that these heritage acts are having to resort to working with whoever is in at the time to try and keep themselves relevant.
Thankfully ABBA haven’t done this, and I can’t imagine they would have even considered it. I know back in the day they tried to promote other Swedish/Polar acts like Tomas “Hanger-on” Ledin (thankfully that didn’t work) but they’d never do anything like this.
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 6, 2021 18:33:11 GMT
Some Elton songs are good but he wouldn't chart high unless as part of a collaboration. And he knows it. The chart company will need to do something soon. They are killing the golden goose. New talent won't stand a chance if only a few acts and their fan base hog the charts with excessive streaming.
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Post by joseph on Oct 6, 2021 19:36:08 GMT
It's heartening to know I'm not alone in my exasperation for Elton John and his duets. It's tiresome now.
I like Adele (Set Fire To The Rain being my favourite) but she's a one-trick pony. I'm bored of her miserable songs- it's all much of a muchness. As for Ed Sheeran...I'm sure he's a lovely bloke and all that but if he never recorded another song, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Another one who's rather samey with everything he does. I'm baffled by their success. I suppose it's too much to hope they'd all just go away for a few years? Yes? Thought so.
Anyway, I'd be happy if Voyage was only numero uno for a week here in the UK but if it isn't I'm not too fussed. I'm not bothered by chart placements. It's all rather detracting from the music...the art form itself. Great if it happens, not the end of the world if it isn't.
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Post by richard on Oct 7, 2021 14:34:27 GMT
I wonder how you'd feel if, say, three of the songs on the Voyage album, were quite different in style from the ABBA of the '70s? Much less pop-like, and more along the lines of I Let The Music Speak or The Visitors track rather than DSMD or ISHFIY? I don't suppose they will be a radical departure from their most successful albums. No reason why they should of course. But how much like Arrival would you like them to sound, allowing for their ages?
I'd be quite interested if they wanted to try one or two different things.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 14:53:01 GMT
I think Voyage will be a mixture. We see that just from the 2 singles. ISHFIY is something that would have fitted well on The Visitors. DSMD more 'typical Abba' and a bit Voulez Vouz-ish or Arrival era.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 16:02:11 GMT
What version of Voyage will people buy? I was thinking of the one with the Abbatars photos from HMV. I will just get a CD. abba.lnk.to/albumuk |
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Post by Alan on Oct 7, 2021 16:53:35 GMT
What version of Voyage will people buy? Or in many cases, versions. Deluxe CD box Green vinyl Both picture discs (birthday presents) Possibly/likely: HMV CD with alternate artwork HMV yellow vinyl with alternate artwork (I’ll be buying those on the day as I’m half-expecting the others not to arrive in time). Other than the standard CD and black vinyl (neither of which I’m getting), I imagine many of them will go up in price and become sought-after in years to come, but I’m stopping myself from ever getting the Amazon orange or independent blue vinyl (or the white one). |
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Post by justabba on Oct 7, 2021 17:29:07 GMT
I've got the eco box,hmv cd cover and Amazon orange vinyl on pre order. Thought I would go into a shop and buy the standard cd on the day...just for the hell of it!
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 7, 2021 18:39:39 GMT
I ordered the ecobox. To begin with, the Voyage shop wouldn't let me buy picture discs or the singles. I think it was because I'm outside the UK - although, if it let me buy the box, it must just have been teething problems. I ended up buying the singles from the Museum shop instead. I wanted the ABBAtars picture disc - I'm not wild about the eclipse one - but I missed the boat. I like the Amazon orange vinyl because it fits with the cover design - it seems to be out of stock too. Tower Records here in Ireland is offering the blue vinyl but I don't like the look of it - to my eyes, it clashes with the cover a bit. I like the HMV yellow vinyl in the ABBAtars cover. Sadly, they're only delivering to the UK, so that's off the table too for now.
I'll pop in to Tower on release day to pick up the standard CD and vinyl. Along with the box, I'll have bought three versions of the same album at the same time - I've never done that before. It had better bloody go to Number 1!
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 7, 2021 19:18:52 GMT
I love the new songs and looking forward to the whole album. I love all their albums Arrival and Super Trouper the most. Bjorn's lyrics have improved with each album. And he has not disappointed us again. I get the feeling that the new album may be telling us a story. The way both songs end in particular Don't shut me down? Does he let her back into his life. Will another song reveal the answer and leave us in no doubt? Even ISHFIY ends with a question. Abba know their craft. Hear new things each time, everything in its place to give us the ultimate experience. I think Voyage could be a mega seller in the lead up to Christmas and then again when the concerts start.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 22:50:41 GMT
I have the " Voyage " deluxe eco box set and normal standard CD preying on my mind. Maybe I will purchase other variants. There will be plenty of other formats available. What a great post, Madonnabba ! I completely agree with you.
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