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Post by richard on Oct 11, 2021 18:57:04 GMT
Of course, a composer's, or listener's, opinion of a song - or it's possibilities - night not be written in stone. I know I've sometimes changed my mind, for or against, about this or that song. For me, it may be a gradual build-up of dislike for, say, a piece of arrangement, or the instrumentation, that turns me off a track; or a sudden appreciation of things I was previously ignorant of or dismißive about. I'm sure Just A Notion has been reimagined for the Voyage album, otherwise why would they bother with it?
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Post by Alan on Oct 11, 2021 22:03:47 GMT
I cant find the news anywhere... not that im that good in looking...lol Me neither, I think its all just rumour and conjecture... I think it was the ABBA Fan Club magazine that stated that Just A Notion has a new backing track. It’s not too much of a stretch of the imagination to assume the vocals have been completely re-recorded too. I would hope there’s nothing of the 1978 demo on a new album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 22:34:58 GMT
Alan, as you have pointed out the information about JAN is from the ABBA Fan Club magazine to which I very recently joined. I don't think it is a rumour or conjecture at all because why would they print it in the magazine if it wasn't so.
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Post by justabba on Oct 12, 2021 5:44:08 GMT
Alan, as you have pointed out the information about JAN is from the ABBA Fan Club magazine to which I very recently joined. I don't think it is a rumour or conjecture at all because why would they print it in the magazine if it wasn't so. The rumour and Conjecture to which I was referring was Just a notion being the next single, a week after a different rumour of a different single had been circulating. Like you, I have of course read the official fan club magazine.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 8:04:02 GMT
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I estimate sales of 2 singles to be 55k and 35k
DSMD day 1 1000 Week1 26000 Week2 10000 Week3 8000 Week4 6000
Week5 4000
ISHFIY
day1 1000 Week1 23000 Wwek2 8000
Probably 2-3000 since leaving chart.
Figuree were given for week 1. Other estimates based on chart position. Sales given to singles near their chart position.
These are "chart sales" and include streaming equivalent sales. I expect most of them to be actual sales.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 12, 2021 8:30:01 GMT
Thanks Johnny for those educated guesses Its a terrible reflection of how dire the sales of singles/Albums are these days...It must be hard for new acts to actually make any money from new releases. Gone are the days of nearly instant 250.000. Alas the new singles must be among the poorest selling tracks here in the UK for ABBA, So Long being the worst ? Ironically one of the most sought I expect..... Its all an argument for the ABBAtars show, as concerts seem to be the main source of income these days.....
On another note... still no news on JAN !! is it all rumour .... where do they come from.... Its been a week or so since the last snippet, the clapperboard... Are we getting impatient ...lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 8:51:56 GMT
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I guess those sales are on a par with the flop singles in 1982. So Long remains the lowest selling ABBA single in the UK.
Yep. You are right actual sales are dire. Acts make their money from touring. Sales for most (not ABBA) are in fact streaming.
I think ABBA focussed on 1. Selling tickets for show 2. Selling Voyage album
Regards the songs, the focus was on Listening. But ABBA,outside Sweden are not a popular streaming act. They need sales. I hear what people say about "legacy acts" and the singles chart but more could have been done to market the singles as something to buy physically or download.
There's no reason why both songs couldn't have been released nuch earlier.
Just a Notion - if true it will be a single looks like Side 1 of Vinyl (first few CD tracks) will be the singles. These songs include DSMD, ISHFIY and Little Things, the expected Christmas single.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 9:20:08 GMT
The rumour and Conjecture to which I was referring was Just a notion being the next single, a week after a different rumour of a different single had been circulating. Like you, I have of course read the official fan club magazine. It came from PopJustice, who were right about a ten-track album days before it was announced. They must have people from within the music industry on that. It’s all a bit of a game, they pretend they’re releasing confidential information when in reality it’s to generate interest. But yes, I agree, there’s no official confirmation yet. It would make sense to release something just before the album though, now that the initial excitement has died down.
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Post by gamleman on Oct 12, 2021 10:02:22 GMT
Wasn't the rumour a couple of weeks ago that "When You Danced With Me" would be the next single? This would make more sense being Track 2 on the album - after ISHFIY as an opener, I'm really expecting a more traditional ABBA sound to swing into action on this track. Of course, we could eventually get both JAN and WYDWM as singles. We've been assuming that "Little Things" will be a Christmas single, but has anybody 'in the know' even hinted at this?
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 10:32:54 GMT
^^ gamleman, I think it was Colin that mentioned about When You Danced With Me, but he didn’t give a source. Incidentally it was the same person on PopJustice that said about Just A Notion that mentioned a couple of weeks ago that exciting news was coming. It was actually me that prompted the announcement - I posted on there and mentioned When You Danced With Me and the “exciting news”, neither of which had materialised, and a reply then commented to say that someone had briefly posted about Just A Notion the day before and quickly deleted it. The person behind the original post then posted it again and left it on this time. There isn’t much to gain from making fake announcements based on rumour, so I’d hope it’s correct, but who knows? I’m keeping an open mind. Here’s the link. I have the same username on there. forum.popjustice.com/threads/abba-voyage.67379/page-117#post-8297767(I’m assuming it lets anyone view the topic without being logged in but I’m not sure).
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 10:51:00 GMT
How does everyone feel about the name of this topic being changed? It can be done without a moderator. It requires the original starter of the topic - that’s gary - to go in and edit his original post. He should then be able to edit the title. I’ve just tried it on a topic I started once (the Kate Bush one, though it’s only a page long) and it appears to have worked. Any ideas for a new title? My suggestion: “ABBA Voyage - General Discussion 2018 to date” but might be a bit long? Just that, although we all know the topic as “Can It Be True?”, we now know it is true. Note the PopJustice topic is 118 pages so 92 pages isn’t as long as it could be. gary, if you’re around (looks like you were last online in September) we might need you to try it if everyone agrees a title (or even wants it changing).
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Post by richard on Oct 12, 2021 11:21:06 GMT
As I suggested a few pages ago (!) on this thread, why not just abandon this thread now and start one in The Music section perhaps simply entitled 'The Voyage album' ? The vast majority of the recent discussion here could have been suitably encompassed in such a new Voyage thread.
Or Alan's idea - I think that would be worthwhile, too.
If I remember right, Gary wanted this 'Can it be true?' thread locked ages ago!
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Post by justabba on Oct 12, 2021 11:35:04 GMT
The voyage album seems a good idea to me
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 11:46:39 GMT
As I suggested a few pages ago (!) on this thread, why not just abandon this thread now and start one in The Music section perhaps simply entitled 'The Voyage album' ? The vast majority of the recent discussion here could have been suitably encompassed in such a new Voyage thread. Or Alan's idea - I think that would be worthwhile, too. If I remember right, Gary wanted this 'Can it be true?' thread locked ages ago! The problem is it can’t be locked without a moderator, which we don’t have. Also, I personally think that starting a new topic (which anyone can do) will just confuse things further. You’ll get some people still posting in here and others in the new one. Attempts have been made at starting other topics but they haven’t fully taken off. I think it’s a bit late now, this topic is too firmly established to abandon it.
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Post by richard on Oct 12, 2021 12:08:16 GMT
Yes, it's the lack of moderation that has caused this the continuation of this now cumbersome thread. It seems, for whatever reasons/s, the admin and the mod, respectively, either aren't reading these posts, or are indifferent to them, or can't respond.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 12:16:58 GMT
Yes, it's the lack of moderation that has caused this the continuation of this now cumbersome thread. I’d have to disagree, I don’t really see it as cumbersome. I quite like having a “go-to” thread. If you were on the ABBA 4 Ever forum (2006 to 2014), you may remember how moderators treated everyone like children and stifled conversation, not allowing anyone to go off-topic. The reasoning was that it was then easier to find things on the forum. The reality was that hardly anyone checks old threads, most people are on forums to check new posts. There are two other topics - one about reviews of the two singles so far, and the other about what we know about the ten new songs. The latter is still on its first page and the former hasn’t progressed beyond a second. There’s probably stuff in there that some forum members haven’t seen if they only check this one. That’s the “danger” of having more than one topic. I go into the forum now via “view recent posts” - I used to use “view recent topics” but the posts one is better. It puts the newest post - in any topic - first and means I don’t miss anything, regardless of where it’s posted. I just read them until I reach one I’ve already read!
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 14:12:53 GMT
Quick announcement - I have now been made moderator of this forum. This was spur-of-the-moment - I found a way of contacting Roxanne (the admin) outside the forum today to explain the absence of a moderator. Roxanne responded very quickly and has given me the rights.
I moderated the short-lived ABBAForum for a couple of years so do have experience.
It’s only light-touch moderation to remove spam posts etc. Anything else I do will be with the agreement of a majority of members. Anyone is welcome to PM me with any issues but as we have moderated ourselves for a year, I can’t see me having much to do!
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Post by jj on Oct 12, 2021 14:44:46 GMT
I am very pleased that you've been made a moderator, Alan. Congratulations to you and what a relief this is for all of us that someone like you can take control when things don't go well, or when this place gets spam!
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Post by jj on Oct 12, 2021 14:52:22 GMT
I really like the name of this thread, though. It encapsulates our realisation, a few years ago, that something truly incredible and inconceivable was about to happen: that ABBA might indeed, and against all the odds and against everything we'd been led to believe and to accept since 1982, actually reform and release new music again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 16:35:38 GMT
Justabba, You will probably know this already as you have joined the International Fan Club as I have. There is a very interesting article about ABBA's new album " Voyage " and the songs featured on it. There is a mention of JAN re-worked with new vocals added. I apologise for sounding a little terse in my previous comment. You are right there are many conflicting rumours circulating about the next potential single. Whatever the song it won't disappoint " I Still Have Faith In ABBA ". i couldn't resist the pun. Well done Alan. You will be very good as the new forum moderator.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 16:48:01 GMT
I’m personally not keen on the “lock the topic” option but if a majority want that, then I’ll do it.
Poll closes 11:30pm (not sure what time zone!) on Sunday 31 October.
I’d like as many people as possible that contribute to that topic to vote in this poll so we can get an accurate picture of what members want.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 16:50:02 GMT
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Post by jj on Oct 12, 2021 17:05:02 GMT
I have a bad feeling that if we start diversifying into different threads and topics, there will be fewer participants and fewer additional posts made to each of them, and they will all peter out quickly and, with this, so will the entire forum. But I might be wrong.
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Post by jj on Oct 12, 2021 17:22:22 GMT
Keep the "Can it be true?" topic as an omnibus thread and create just one more for the Voyage album.
A new topic titled something like: "Voyage album"
This topic would include media reviews and fans' opinions and reviews, facts, sales figures, rumours and stories about the songs, lyrics discussion, stories about "the making of" different facets of the project (including the songs themselves), singles, promotional videos, advertising, the upcoming London shows, tv specials, group members' interviews and tv appearances, artwork, etc.
So just two main, big topics.
How many members actually post at the moment? This is an important factor that needs to be taken into account.
At the moment, I'm not confident this forum would actually manage to keep more than two threads/topics alive - at least not until there are many more members posting regularly.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 17:22:24 GMT
Yes, I’m inclined to agree with you, jj. Various ABBA forums over the years have discouraged anyone from going off-topic so we’re not used to big threads like this. However, I’ve adjusted to it and quite like it now.
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Post by justabba on Oct 12, 2021 17:38:44 GMT
Every time I hit the link to vote, it logs me out?! Can I add a vote for abba voyage please?
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 12, 2021 17:42:06 GMT
Hi... i think something is going wrong ? I cant log in, even though I'm permanently signed in, but cant vote , but ironically can post !!
Ill wait a little to see if it can be rectified.. if not Ill give my vote via here....
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Post by jj on Oct 12, 2021 17:43:47 GMT
Take the ABBA Voyage thread at PopJustice, for instance. It has essentially become an ABBA omnibus thread, with fun comments sometimes coming in from left field, and it's this very fact that makes it popular and constantly added-to. If you were to create narrow topics (e.g., "Agnetha's hairstyles over time"), there'd not be enough interest to sustain such discussions.
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Post by richard on Oct 12, 2021 17:43:50 GMT
I do remember the excessive moderation on the old abba4ever forum - very off-putting, I agree. So welcome as our new 'light-touch' moderator, Alan.
But I don't think it's a bad thing to have some fairly discrete topics, as long as some freer discussion within those topics is allowed to flow. So it makes a lot of sense to me to have a specific thread entitled, say, 'The Voyage album'. Such a thread would have encompassed most of the content of the last few pages of this thread.
Surely, at the moment, for those, like me, who are mainly interested in the music, most of the posts would go to 'The Voyage album' thread, anyway - should there be one. But not if this thread isn't locked.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 12, 2021 18:06:53 GMT
OK, there looks as if there are still technical issues.. so Ill go here which again is ironic, " The Go To Thread ".. I have several reasons for sticking with this thread.
1. It now feels like a friends conversation , we may jump around a bit, but come back to subject.
2. I also feel that there are surprisingly so few of us that actually post, around 20 if that many on a regular basis, So it goes hand in hand with point 1.
3. Threads will have a tendency to get lost possibly to many threads some haven't been looked at in ages.
4. even the title is good, Can It Be True.. says it all
Realistically I cant see this going on for many more years and it will gradually fade, with less and less posters, Ive even thought of giving my personal email to keep in touch, just in case...
So i go off subject and will of course go with the flow, but for now I like it as it is.....
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