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Post by Michal on Oct 12, 2021 18:25:06 GMT
foreverfan, I was able to vote. I would keep this thread for the very same reasons. We may create a separate thread for the Voyage album, probably we should, as all studio albums have threads of their own but I would still keep this one, as most of us really seem to go here by default.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 12, 2021 18:33:28 GMT
Congrats, @alan, on your Moderatorship! Wait - is that how we should address you now? "Your Moderatorship"? Should we curtsey?  Seriously, they couldn't have made a better choice. I welcome your benign dictatorship!  I can't vote in this thingummy either - the system has probably had enough of my guff by now. As for this thread... It's hard to know what to do. At nearly 100 pages, it's become a bit of a monster. Yet we all seem well able to navigate it. If there were any arguments to be made for locking the thread, it would be with new members in mind. There may be a few more newbies when the album is unleashed? By then, of course, we'll all be discussing the album in a dedicated thread, and so this one will probably wither away naturally? Maybe don't stress about it until 5 November? |
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Post by joseph on Oct 12, 2021 18:39:07 GMT
I don't actually mind either way. I always just go straight to 'last posts' anyway and take it from there. I hardly ever have a mooch around other threads- it can seem rather overwhelming.
I see this thread is nearly at 100 pages?! Maybe...just an idea...it might be an idea to start a 'Voyage' thread once the actual album is released? Bringing it bang up to date and fresh? I dunno, like I said..I'm cool with whatever. BTW, I'm pleased we have a new moderator (congrats Alan). I recall before I locked myself out, there often seemed to be spam which was annoying, so I'm pleased I haven't seen any since 'finding my key again', as it were.
I hope Mike is OK? It's rather concerning when people simply disappear. Not that I think I was much missed lol
Oh and there seems to be conflicting reports about Just A Notion. I'm not sure what to believe. I guess another single might be nice before the new album but I still feel spoiled already.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 12, 2021 18:41:18 GMT
^^^ Still says unable to vote..... for me..I know Im not technical, but I go through link and opens up new tab and then unable to vote... Help appreciated....
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Post by richard on Oct 12, 2021 18:57:48 GMT
OK, there looks as if there are still technical issues.. so Ill go here which again is ironic, " The Go To Thread ".. I have several reasons for sticking with this thread. 1. It now feels like a friends conversation , we may jump around a bit, but come back to subject. 2. I also feel that there are surprisingly so few of us that actually post, around 20 if that many on a regular basis, So it goes hand in hand with point 1. 3. Threads will have a tendency to get lost possibly to many threads some haven't been looked at in ages. 4. even the title is good, Can It Be True.. says it all Realistically I cant see this going on for many more years and it will gradually fade, with less and less posters, Ive even thought of giving my personal email to keep in touch, just in case... So i go off subject and will of course go with the flow, but for now I like it as it is..... Arguing against myself, that's a good point, Graham, that so few post, kind of making different threads redundant. Facetiously, I suggest just two threads for this forum: 'Photos' and 'Miscellaneous ABBA Discussion'. 😁 I find it a bit surprising that more haven't wanted to post since the two new songs. And to be honest, I doubt I'll have much to say here - after Christmas, probably - once I've commented on the Voyage tracks. Unless, that is, I change my mind about the avatar show, and decide to go and see it after all. |
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Post by gary on Oct 12, 2021 18:59:43 GMT
I’ve changed the title of this thread, as Alan suggested. I’m quite happy to change it again, even back to the old title, depending on what people prefer. But I think ‘Can it be true?’ has outlived its relevance.
Congrats on your new post, Alan!
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Post by joseph on Oct 12, 2021 19:30:11 GMT
Not able to vote in the poll at the moment, it won't let me, but upon reflection I do think a new thread with Voyage in the title would be apt. It's topical and relevant and looks likely to be ABBA's final hurrah! (Maybe.) Yes, 'Voyage' is and will be the talking point for quite the foreseeable future so it seems appropriate to give it a thread of its own.
Having said that, cool with whatever.
Perhaps it'll be a case of two new threads.... 'Voyage-The Album' and from May 2022 'Voyage-The Concert'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 19:43:22 GMT
⬆️ I agree with Joseph
A forum for Voyage album
And another for the show
Maybe another for charts + sales
I welcome Alan as Moderator - a couple of days after I raised the issue
I hope the deplorable + selfish act if quoting whole threads will end.
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Post by breifne on Oct 12, 2021 19:59:59 GMT
Congratulations to Alan - we appreciate you accepting the role of Moderator.
Has anyone heard if any of the songs on Voyage have been recorded in Spanish ?
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Oct 12, 2021 20:34:55 GMT
I would like to hear a Spanish version of Don't Shut Me Down.
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 21:36:51 GMT
Oh, so some of you can’t vote? That’s very odd, I don’t know why that is. Only four have voted (and I wasn’t one of them) - all voted to keep it as it is but Gary has done what I’d asked of him before then and changed it!
I’m happy with its new title though, as long as no one is put off from posting in it?
I just went in to vote - I merely touched the circle to register my choice and it instantly accepted it. There’s no button to press to submit a vote. That might be because I created the poll though.
How annoying!
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 21:45:29 GMT
Something’s clearly gone a bit wrong with this poll as quite a few are saying it won’t allow them to vote. Meanwhile, Gary’s changed the name of it anyway after I tagged him in a post before I became moderator.
Guessing it means the poll is a bit redundant!
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Post by Alan on Oct 12, 2021 22:00:18 GMT
OK, as Gary has changed the name of it, and my poll seems to have some technical problems, are we happy to give the new title a try? I’ve changed the title of this thread, as Alan suggested. I’m quite happy to change it again, even back to the old title, depending on what people prefer. But I think ‘Can it be true?’ has outlived its relevance. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2021 22:30:41 GMT
I'm happy with the new title of the thread. I too had " gremlin " issues with voting for my choice and like Foreverfan I am not technically minded at all. I agree with Joseph that we should start two other threads ( one for the new ABBA album and the other for the concert next year ) Your absence from the forum Joseph, was noticed and you were missed. I hope Mike is OK.
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Post by mjc on Oct 12, 2021 22:58:46 GMT
Hello all,
I have been reading this site for years following on from one that was run by Australian fan(s) (as far as I know)until it suddenly went offline a decade or so ago. I have looked at almost all other threads here but this thread IS this site now and it is nice to see it renamed and kept open.
Is it technically possible not to lock it but to split it in two and lock the first part? For example, separate the first 60 or 70 pages that were written up to Sept 2nd and keep them locked as a kind of 'The-speculation-before-Abba-came-back' thread and then have this part leading on from September 2nd when the two singles were released. A kind of BEFORE and AFTER threads ....
Martin
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Post by Michal on Oct 13, 2021 5:55:51 GMT
Hello all, I have been reading this site for years following on from one that was run by Australian fan(s) (as far as I know)until it suddenly went offline a decade or so ago. Martin Hi Martin! Do you mean the ABBAMAIL website? That was a great source of information. Pity they were forced to stop... |
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Post by mjc on Oct 13, 2021 7:34:57 GMT
Hi Martin! Do you mean the ABBAMAIL website? That was a great source of information. Pity they were forced to stop... Yes, Michal, I guess that was the name. I think it was though that site that I got up to date with all things ABBA in the late 1990s. Between 1986 and me getting on the internet in 1996 life in Japan was somewhat of a desert when it came to news from overseas. Probably the first thing l looked up on the internet was ABBA. Because of information that I found on ABBAMAIL I went out and bought the Thank You For The Music set, Gemini, Kristina Fran Duvemala and the books published by Carl Magnus Palm. When you say they were 'forced to stop', what do you mean? They ran out of money? Martin |
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Post by tagaytay on Oct 13, 2021 8:33:01 GMT
Through ABBAmail i was able to get in touch with the east coast USA ABBA fans in the late 90s and early 2000s. I was still living in the USA at that time. I even met the owner of the site (Graeme) when he toured the USA. those were happy times indeed
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Post by jj on Oct 13, 2021 9:15:42 GMT
I would like to hear a Spanish version of Don't Shut Me Down. I have a feeling that ABBA, being much older now, and having joined forces one more time because they thought it might be fun to record together again, would no longer want to go that extra mile and record Spanish versions of these new songs.
Even during ABBA's original career, they only made Spanish versions of their songs as a fun sideline (the "Gracias por la Musica" album being mainly an Agnetha/Frida/Tretow project, I think), or to complement the Super Trouper and The Visitors albums with a few extra tracks for the Spanish and Latin America markets.
In other words, ABBA's Spanish song versions were few and far between and just seem to have been made for the sake of novelty and also maybe as a sales gimmick to increase their exposure in the Spanish speaking markets in 1980 and 1981. So I would be extremely surprised if they decided to make a Spanish version of DSMD, because doing so was definitely not standard operational procedure for ABBA between 1972 and 1982.
Am I right? What do others think of ABBA's forays into Spanish versions of their songs? Does anyone here think it would be quite normal for ABBA to record Spanish versions of their Voyage album songs?
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Post by gazman on Oct 13, 2021 9:56:56 GMT
Well, ABBA never really cracked the Italian market - so if they did an Italian version of one of the new songs on the album, that would be great - I don't think they will any further 'different language' versions though...
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Post by gamleman on Oct 13, 2021 10:02:24 GMT
If I remember correctly, recording in Spanish was instigated to win over the South American market with the "Voulez-vous" album and they did then, in a sense, make it a tradition on the subsequent two albums (which Agnetha continued, at least for her "I Stand Alone" album). I was half expecting one or two Spanish versions of tracks for this album but I agree that there might not be much motivation there to do it.
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Post by jj on Oct 13, 2021 10:05:20 GMT
In future, how are we going to name or refer to this (more than likely) one-off album/coda part of ABBA's career? I have a feeling Voyage is ABBA's extremely unexpected final album. It's such a welcome and lovely parting gift if this is the case (and I do expect that this definitely is the case). I really don't think there'll be another album after this.
So, will 2021-22 be considered ABBA's "post-1982 career", even if it only consists of one final album and a few singles? Can this album be considered a continuation of their career, or is it a fitting finale, with ABBA finally providing closure to their career, a closure that they failed to provide us in 1982, when they parted ways and never reformed to make new music for 39 years? For that matter, can we also say this final section started in 2017 with the recording of ISHFIY and DSMD... or not?
Whether you mark its start in 2017 or 2021, it's a strange twilight period, it's not exactly a continuation of their career, neither is it not a continuation. It lies somewhere in between. It's defies definition. It doesn't lend itself to easy categorization, not in the same way many have come to name ABBA's three (or more?) main eras (e.g., early, middle and late, or pre-Arrival Era, Golden Era, Late Era, etc). Is this really just a continuation from where they left off with The Visitors, or is it something else altogether? Is this part of their original career, or has the ABBAtar project just been a great opportunity for ABBA to bid their fans a final goodbye with a new album? (I'm talking only of the music now, the album, not the ABBAtar show, which I don't really consider to be a bona fide part of ABBA's career in music.) As with the Mamma Mia! franchise, I don't see these new shows to be part of their recording career as ABBA.
Might this Voyage album be considered just a bookend to their first - and only - career, i.e., the period 1972-1982?
I am confused.
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Post by justabba on Oct 13, 2021 10:19:52 GMT
Bjorn himself said as far as he was concerned voyage is the follow up to the visitors. That's good enough for me.
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Post by gazman on Oct 13, 2021 10:24:17 GMT
Yes - what Björn said.
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Post by gamleman on Oct 13, 2021 10:28:44 GMT
They probably don't know how this resurrection of their recording career will pan out. While I think this will be their final complete studio album, I wouldn't be surprised at further new tracks in the future. I get the impression that Benny is a bit of a fiddler (and I don't mean a violin player), so anything could happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 10:32:08 GMT
I think it is both a continuation and a final goodbye.
The Visitors was a bit dark musically and lyrically. The new album I feel will be more positive.
On top of that, no proper "goodbye" in 1982/3. I wonder if he well get a "that's it" announcement.
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Post by bennybjorn on Oct 13, 2021 10:34:57 GMT
I think whether more songs are written and released after Voyage depends on three things. A) the album's critical acclaim, b) the album's commercial success and c) the health of the 4 members and their desire to do more stuff. The commercial success is pretty much guaranteed although that depends a little on how you define it. I think critical acclaim will be a big thing. Bjorn and Benny won't enjoy taking a hammering although that's pretty unlikely given the response to the first two songs. But if it is highly acclaimed ie mainly at least 4 out of 5 star reviews, I'm guessing they'll be keen to do more.
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Post by richard on Oct 13, 2021 11:55:37 GMT
So is it the case now that when the Voyage album is released, it and its tracks will be discussed here rather than as a thread in the ABBA The Music section?
It's just that all the other albums have threads there. No reason, other than the niceties of consistency,if anyone goes for that, why the Voyage album shouldn't be the exception, of course.
My choice would be to rename this thread - yes, sorry, apologies for the suggestion - as 'ABBA: General News Discussion' and let the Voyage album have a thread in The Music section, along with the other albums..
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Post by Alan on Oct 13, 2021 12:02:06 GMT
richard, I could move the topic to the music section, but my concern would be that some might not be able to find it and be put off from posting (we all have different ways of going into the forum). I still think that trying to start a new thread now will complicate matters - both topics could end up having similar posts in and there will be duplication. Even the two other existing topics (reviews of the two singles and what we know about the ten songs) have posts that could just as easily have been in this one. I just don’t think there’s going to be any easy answer. Certainly not one that could please a majority anyway.
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Post by richard on Oct 13, 2021 12:13:28 GMT
I appreciate what you're saying, Alan. It is, indeed, a tricky one, unlikely to satisfy everyone.
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Seriously, they couldn't have made a better choice. I welcome your benign dictatorship! 
