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Post by JeniLP on Oct 27, 2021 12:18:28 GMT
I can't believe that m/any of us had serious expectations that another album was a realistic prospect. Like, really?! As with Just Like That and I Am The City in 1982, ABBA head off into the sunset teasing us about the existence of two new songs. Were many fans not aware that this was an extraordinary project, that this would be the last album ever??!! Wow! I'm very surprised older fans didn't get it that this was ABBA bowing out, their final curtain, and that they were finally giving us the closure they failed to give us in December 1982. This is true but the point is that it is not a decent way to say goodbye by specifying some unfinished material. It's like a mockery: "So, this is it, bye-bye. No more music by ABBA, bye. Yeah, there are 2 somethings, nothing really. Nevermind, forget it. Love, bye". Parting gift? Fine, we are all happy. No more music? So be it, why this tricky mentioning? I simply don't understand what for if you are serious about your intentions. P.S. I can't call myself a hardcore ABBA fan (though I love them dearly) and I didn't expect them to do anything new. And I don't expect now. I just do not even bother thinking about it.
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Post by gamleman on Oct 27, 2021 12:52:21 GMT
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek!?! Sombrero as an A-side? Can you imagine the media mockery of that title and those lyrics? The vocal performances are pretty special, but I've always found the song mortifying. I agree that it should have been released as a B-side at the time. It might have enhanced the chart performance of LAYLOM by offering something new to fans who, having already bought the album, were not willing to fork out for two tracks they already owned. TBH, I think it's good strategy for any group to adopt - especially for singles released after the parent album. IMO, B&B could do worse than complete the two unfinished recordings for use as B-sides to more singles from Voyage in the months ahead. I think even in 1981 ABBA would have been allowed their lighter moments. I remember the lyrics of "Take A Chance On Me" being ridiculed in the music press, but that didn't stop it from becoming a massive hit and a public favourite. We are digressing now, but I didn't understand why there wasn't a third single from the "Super Trouper" album earlier in 1981 - perhaps they thought the album sales had been so good that a further single wouldn't sell very well. LAYLOM would have been my choice but I believe it was eventually released paired up with OAOAO only because these two songs had been so successful in the US Club/Disco chart (both No 1). They could have added POYWS as a bonus track on the 12-inch, which would have been a nice extra for the fans, but I suppose this wouldn't have fitted in with the Disco theme of the single.
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Post by scaramouche on Oct 27, 2021 13:16:58 GMT
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 27, 2021 13:28:03 GMT
Sombrero ...vocals and harmonies good but those lyrics...thankfully not on ST. There was a lean period in the first half of 1980. LAYLOM should have been released then. I reckon it would have been number one if accompanied with a decent video. So hoping this album measures up to the last 5 studio albums. If better what ...what a swansong. If received well they may be tempted but its a tall ask at their ages and the time it takes to record an album. Maybe the most we could hope for is a collaboration album like Elton John's with some of today's high flyers. That would take us on a further voyage. But for now let's be thankful and proud of their achievements today. How many artists could come back to such a welcome and chart success after 40 years?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 14:01:55 GMT
This is true but the point is that it is not a decent way to say goodbye by specifying some unfinished material. Well, in the circumstances, the very least we can do here on ABBAChat is indulge in some ill-informed speculation as to the working titles of the two unfinished tracks. Perhaps 'Just Like What' and 'Just an Ocean'
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Post by JeniLP on Oct 27, 2021 14:14:25 GMT
This is true but the point is that it is not a decent way to say goodbye by specifying some unfinished material. Well, in the circumstances, the very least we can do here on ABBAChat is indulge in some ill-informed speculation as to the working titles of the two unfinished tracks. Perhaps 'Just Like What' and 'Just an Ocean' I'm afraid we're on the verge of irritating B&B with JLT)) Oh, maybe then they've simply invented these 2 new tracks for us: "Face it y'all!"
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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2021 14:19:50 GMT
Well, I didn't expect another studio album but this means there won't be any extra tracks for a further release of "Voyage" or for a 50-year retrospective album (be that in 2022 or 2024). To leave us with the knowledge that there were two unfinished tracks that will never be finished was a bit unnecessary. It’s crossed my mind that they might be trying to kill any rumours of a deluxe edition with more tracks next year, so that they can make an announcement nearer the time and it will still be a big story. Two tracks might well be unfinished but it doesn’t necessarily mean there aren’t others already in the bag. It would all have been part of the original deal. They loved being back in the studio and recording… so much so that they’ve ruled out ever doing so again. Got to love ABBA for the contradictions. RIP ABBA then, 1972-2021.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 27, 2021 15:01:47 GMT
For some unknown reason I seem to be the eternal optimist !! lol
I think we may get some Deluxe version come May, then of course we have Mamma Mia 3 to look forward to !! Then a Greatest Hits Compilation... Then the 50 years then then then... I may joke a bit but wouldnt surprise me on any mentioned, that comes true, but lets be honest here , They/we cant carry on forever, so they have to call it a day at some point, but there will still be the odd surprise to come, but will become more and more infrequent..
Ive come to terms with this being the last big hurrah, So we should embrace the next 12 months and enjoy every minute..... I am....
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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2021 16:02:43 GMT
Full colour version of the new photo. Can’t fully decide if it’s a composite or if they really were together. The proximity of Frida’s and Agnetha’s arms suggests they might actually be together in one photo.
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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2021 16:13:30 GMT
Colour one of Agnetha and Frida plus the Agnetha-in-mask photo that I don’t think was in The Guardian article.
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Post by hejiranyc on Oct 27, 2021 16:24:10 GMT
^^Lovely new picture of them. Does anyone else find it odd that the exes are paired with each other in almost all post-divorce group photos? Perhaps it's just coincidence and it just happens to be the way they presented themselves on stage?
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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2021 16:38:31 GMT
Does anyone else find it odd that the exes are paired with each other in almost all post-divorce group photos? Perhaps it's just coincidence and it just happens to be the way they presented themselves on stage? It wasn’t always the case. Quite a few 1981-1982 photos have them paired differently, and at one point it seemed like they were saying “we can’t possibly be photographed next to our former spouse.” The 1982 photo in The Guardian article is one example. I think there was some tension between Benny and Frida during that time though, due to the circumstances of their split. 40 years on, I don’t think any of them have a problem anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 17:09:55 GMT
Thanks Alan, for these beautiful photos of ABBA in the recording studio. I am glad to see them so happy and enjoying themselves.
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Post by jj on Oct 27, 2021 18:03:25 GMT
They loved being back in the studio and recording… so much so that they’ve ruled out ever doing so again. Got to love ABBA for the contradictions. RIP ABBA then, 1972-2021.
Do you really mean to suggest that you were hoping that this album might be the beginning of a new part of their career?
Realistically, how long would you have wished and expected it to continue? Two more years? Ten more years? Five more albums? Had they decided to continue making albums after this, it would have completely lost its special, magical, once-in-a-lifetime quality. And can you imagine the pressure and criticism A&F would be under if they refused to do any PR for the next album(s). And the critics who are now granting ABBA some respect would surely have started turning vicious again, mocking them before too long for their age, as pathetic has-beens who don't know when to quit while the going is good.
To be honest, I'm glad they're calling it a day after this surprise farewell album! I would be extremely disappointed if they continued making new music next year.
This final farewell shows class and elegance. To restart their career now would be, to me at least, absolutely daft. It's lucky ABBA are intelligent and have enough class to know this too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 19:12:17 GMT
Completely agree jj.
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Post by richard on Oct 27, 2021 19:15:59 GMT
I'm slightly hopeful that there might be more from ABBA. They - or Bjorn particularly - have teased and misled and denied and, as Alan points out, been contradictory. But I can see that some of that may have been to surprise us. They've certainly had plenty of time to record more songs. But it would have depended on their ambition, creativity, health and energy as to whether there's more to come. It's not about continuing their career actively for a time - I'm completely with jj in not not wanting to see the negative ramifications of their doing that - but rather just 'getting it out there', if they have done more during this avatar/Voyage project. I know, this has the whiff of ingratitude about it, but I really don't mean it that way. If Voyage is it, we can all be immensely happy and grateful that it has happened.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 19:36:19 GMT
For me, there are only two relevant criteria in terms of how long ABBA could/should/will/might continue from here on in:
- do they want (and are they physically able) to make music? - is the music they're able to produce of a quality consistent with their own stellar standards?
If the answer to both questions is 'yes', then they may yet have some sort of creative 'future' after all the current furore has died down. That wouldn't necessarily mean albums. It could just be the odd song as and when. But even ABBA themselves don't really know what the answer to the first question will be in, say, 9-12 months' time. In any event, what the critics think will be of very little relevance to their plans, I'd have thought.
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Post by bennybjorn on Oct 27, 2021 19:37:27 GMT
They loved being back in the studio and recording… so much so that they’ve ruled out ever doing so again. Got to love ABBA for the contradictions. RIP ABBA then, 1972-2021.
Do you really mean to suggest that you were hoping that this album might be the beginning of a new part of their career?
Realistically, how long would you have wished and expected it to continue? Two more years? Ten more years? Five more albums? Had they decided to continue making albums after this, it would have completely lost its special, magical, once-in-a-lifetime quality. And can you imagine the pressure and criticism A&F would be under if they refused to do any PR for the next album(s). And the critics who are now granting ABBA some respect would surely have started turning vicious again, mocking them before too long for their age, as pathetic has-beens who don't know when to quit while the going is good.
To be honest, I'm glad they're calling it a day after this surprise farewell album! I would be extremely disappointed if they continued making new music next year.
This final farewell shows class and elegance. To restart their career now would be, to me at least, absolutely daft. It's lucky ABBA are intelligent and have enough class to know this too.
Not sure about this. Many acts from the 1960s generation are still going strong, and still picking up fantastic reviews. Ageism is thankfully pretty rare these days. Bob Dylan's last album was one of the most acclaimed of his career, released at age 80, and McCartney is doing similarly well. Whether Abba do any more stuff probably depends on two things. The level of critical acclaim the new album receives (its commercial success is guaranteed) and whether the women want to continue. They've been well shielded from all the usual hassles of being in a band with the current album campaign (no promotion, no TV and no touring) and may have enjoyed it sufficiently that they'd like to do a little more whilst they're still in good health. And Bjorn+Benny have never really stopped working at all, so there's no obvious reason why they should suddenly stop now having released possibly the most hotly anticipated thing they've ever done (unless it's a critical flop or their health fails).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 20:12:39 GMT
It is after all this discussion not at all relevant what WE want them to do, it is what they ABBA themselves want to do. This whole new album and new songs thing is something they wanted to do THEMSELVES!! And if this is the last thing they do, I am very thankfull, because I have never ever thought this would ever happen!
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Post by gamleman on Oct 27, 2021 21:39:43 GMT
I didn't expect them to do any more albums past this one and didn't really want them to. I was just hoping for a few extra tracks, ideally at least one to mark the 50th anniversary of their Eurovision win in 2024. But it doesn't look like we'll be getting that.
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Post by gazman on Oct 27, 2021 21:41:33 GMT
At present, I have a problem, with what Amazon.uk have done with the Card Sleeve 'Voyage'. I'm very worried about the matter. As such, later this Week, I will have to describe what has happened, to Universal, the Voyage Site, and, also The UK Charts Company. The problem started about 2 Weeks ago, when Amazon ran out of Stocks of the Card Sleeve version. Something weird happened, about 3 Days later. I've been in touch with Amazon, about the matter, but all I got was: 'My Team is looking into it'. Which means that nothing - at all - will be done about the matter. I have to find out what Amazon have done with the, (huge), Pre-Orders, of the Card Sleeve version. They really would have been massive - far more than the Jewel Case version. The Card Sleeve version was absolutely huge on Amazon UK. I was amazed. Onlyabba4meagain, can you please explain exactly what you are worried about here, because I don't follow you? If Amazon UK has offered card sleeve CDs at pre-order stage but has now run out, surely they will just ship a jewel case CD to arrive on 5th November instead? They wouldn't cancel a sale - that would make no sense at all - and most of the public probably won't care which version they get. And why would the Voyage Site worry about what Amazon are doing for release day? It's a different shop. Sorry but I can't follow your thought process here.
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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2021 22:16:44 GMT
They loved being back in the studio and recording… so much so that they’ve ruled out ever doing so again. Got to love ABBA for the contradictions. RIP ABBA then, 1972-2021.
Do you really mean to suggest that you were hoping that this album might be the beginning of a new part of their career?
Realistically, how long would you have wished and expected it to continue? Two more years? Ten more years? Five more albums? I think you might be over-reacting to my post a bit here, as I wasn’t suggesting any such possibility. What really irritates me is that once again it’s Benny being miserable. He’s done it time and again - “there’s nothing more in the vaults” and out pops From A Twinkling Star (and now Just A Notion). “There’s no new album - why on earth would anyone think that?” and sure enough, there’s an album. It’s almost like he has to say what is either untrue, hasn’t yet been ruled out or doesn’t need to be said. What was very telling about that interview was Björn quietly saying “yeah” - you could probably have heard the sound of his jaw dropping and he must have been thinking, “did he really just say that?” We don’t want to hear that ABBA have already split up again, most of us can already draw those conclusions. We don’t need grumpy old Benny to say it. Björn clearly daren’t say anything to disagree as Benny is the centre of the whole ABBA operation. ABBA haven’t yet even released the album and they’ve just released the third single from it. ABBA is not as past tense as Benny seems to take great delight in telling us.
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Post by bennybjorn on Oct 27, 2021 22:35:00 GMT
Do you really mean to suggest that you were hoping that this album might be the beginning of a new part of their career?
Realistically, how long would you have wished and expected it to continue? Two more years? Ten more years? Five more albums? I think you might be over-reacting to my post a bit here, as I wasn’t suggesting any such possibility. What really irritates me is that once again it’s Benny being miserable. He’s done it time and again - “there’s nothing more in the vaults” and out pops From A Twinkling Star (and now Just A Notion). “There’s no new album - why on earth would anyone think that?” and sure enough, there’s an album. It’s almost like he has to say what is either untrue, hasn’t yet been ruled out or doesn’t need to be said. What was very telling about that interview was Björn quietly saying “yeah” - you could probably have heard the sound of his jaw dropping and he must have been thinking, “did he really just say that?” We don’t want to hear that ABBA have already split up again, most of us can already draw those conclusions. We don’t need grumpy old Benny to say it. Björn clearly daren’t say anything to disagree as Benny is the centre of the whole ABBA operation. ABBA haven’t yet even released the album and they’ve just released the third single from it. ABBA is not as past tense as Benny seems to take great delight in telling us. Great perspective, Alan - thanks. By the way, do you know if it's possible to join the Pop Justice forum? I tried to but couldn't find out how/where. Maybe they stopped admitting new members? Wouldn't surprise me as the place is absolutely buzzing with activity!
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Post by justabba on Oct 28, 2021 5:22:43 GMT
At present, I have a problem, with what Amazon.uk have done with the Card Sleeve 'Voyage'. I'm very worried about the matter. As such, later this Week, I will have to describe what has happened, to Universal, the Voyage Site, and, also The UK Charts Company. The problem started about 2 Weeks ago, when Amazon ran out of Stocks of the Card Sleeve version. Something weird happened, about 3 Days later. I've been in touch with Amazon, about the matter, but all I got was: 'My Team is looking into it'. Which means that nothing - at all - will be done about the matter. I have to find out what Amazon have done with the, (huge), Pre-Orders, of the Card Sleeve version. They really would have been massive - far more than the Jewel Case version. The Card Sleeve version was absolutely huge on Amazon UK. I was amazed. Onlyabba4meagain, can you please explain exactly what you are worried about here, because I don't follow you? If Amazon UK has offered card sleeve CDs at pre-order stage but has now run out, surely they will just ship a jewel case CD to arrive on 5th November instead? They wouldn't cancel a sale - that would make no sense at all - and most of the public probably won't care which version they get. And why would the Voyage Site worry about what Amazon are doing for release day? It's a different shop. Sorry but I can't follow your thought process here. I understand absolutely what he means and why he is so concerned. Since 2nd September the card sleeve version has been either number 1 or 2 on the best sellers amazon daily list until last week. Now those sales have completely disappeared , and as Colin says, it should be amongst the best selling albums of the YEAR. We are concerned as to where all those 1000s of sales have gone. When he approached amazon to ask, they were very vague and said "they would get back to him". We are still waiting. It's not a matter of swopping the card for jewel. The jewel cases cds are totally separate and we're only listed once they appeared to "sell out" of the original release. Does that make the situation clearer?
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 28, 2021 5:49:55 GMT
I try to avoid amazon if I can purchase from the High st. I placed my order with Hmv last week. Like the face to face contact. Staff very helpful and knowledgeable. And I like a good browse. So hopefully no problems when I go to pick up on the day. Might even ask if I can have any display material when they are done with it thats if there is any display material. And I know the sales will be counted on the day.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 8:05:52 GMT
7). I contacted Amazon and said that just because the Card Sleeve version had become 'Out Of Stock' a few Days earlier, it did not mean that it was no longer their 2nd Best Seller of 2021. You are worrying over nothing. It seems sales will be counted. For some reason they have excludrd it from their 2021 chart as it is currently out of stock. Or was. It seems to be in stock now
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2021 8:08:31 GMT
It is after all this discussion not at all relevant what WE want them to do, it is what they ABBA themselves want to do. This whole new album and new songs thing is something they wanted to do THEMSELVES!! And if this is the last thing they do, I am very thankfull, because I have never ever thought this would ever happen! Agreed! Some fans are never satisfied. I don't get tge "ABBA owe us" brigade. They don't. In any case we are getting a new album NEXT WEEK!
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Post by gazman on Oct 28, 2021 8:28:08 GMT
7). I contacted Amazon and said that just because the Card Sleeve version had become 'Out Of Stock' a few Days earlier, it did not mean that it was no longer their 2nd Best Seller of 2021. You are worrying over nothing. It seems sales will be counted. For some reason they have excludrd it from their 2021 chart as it is currently out of stock. Or was. It seems to be in stock now Exactly - it sounds rather like an admin 'blip'. I am confident Voyage will sail to number 1 on November 12th when the first week's chart comes out.
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Post by gamleman on Oct 28, 2021 8:39:19 GMT
I think the concern is that while the normal Amazon Top 100 may be based on rolling averages of orders (perhaps over a few days), the chart that onlyabba4meagain is referring to is a chart of cumulative orders. So, while an 'out-of-stock' item may disappear from the rolling average chart, it should remain in the cumulative chart, and the "Voyage" cardsleeve CD hasn't. I guess this doesn't mean that its sales won't count towards the national chart - I don't know how Amazon do it, but perhaps as the CDs are dispatched the numbers are submitted to the chart company. Having said that, I think there is some incompetence in Amazon.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 28, 2021 10:28:45 GMT
Is anyone going to be in the same position as me come next Friday ?
Of course Voyage is on order, but post is very late here, I live remote .. So a possibility i may not even get it !!!!! usually no post on Saturdays or Mondays ..aaagghh....
Also no record store close.. all very frustrating....will it be on You Tube... mind you my connection is very bad here as well. perfect storm.......
Ill be banking on you guys to review...
Alas ^^^ I agree with Colin we may see the first top 40 miss...... was it a limited pressing ?
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