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Post by JeniLP on Nov 23, 2021 18:41:38 GMT
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 23, 2021 18:49:36 GMT
Their first Grammy nomination?! Perfect song for it.
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Post by chron on Nov 23, 2021 19:54:07 GMT
For me, The Visitors remains ABBA’s last album. Voyage, though it is an ABBA album (or at least by the same members of a collective once known as ABBA), can’t really be compared to what’s gone before. [...] I could never rank this alongside albums recorded that long ago. It’s very much its own entity. I take the same view. The parallel I draw is with the Beatles' 'comeback' tracks, Free As A Bird and Real Love, put out twenty-five years after they'd originally disbanded (and also released as an extravaganza tie-in). Those 'new' Beatle tracks are now over a quarter of a century old themselves, and you can get a better idea of where they fit into the Beatles' output as a whole, and they've never become fully a part of the canon. I think in a similar way Voyage will remain a postscript or an appendix; something that has a connection with the past work, but which occupies a space apart. I've bored people with this here before (and recently I think, I'm sorry to say), but just as the Beatles couldn't be the same band in the 1990s without John, the current ABBA aren't the same band without the input of Rutger Gunnarsson, Ola Brunkert and Michael Tretow (these days I honestly effectively view the original core backing guys as members of ABBA, and Tretow too, for the same sort of reasons that George Martin is sometimes seen as a de facto member of the Beatles). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 20:20:54 GMT
The Beatles' Free As A Bird and Real Love were old John Lennon songs - he had been dead since 1980. The other 3 just recorded backing vocals and some changes to the music.
ABBA recorded brand new material. And it was all four of them. This view of saying Voyage is not really ABBA is nonsense. It sounds like a comment made by people who don't care much for Voyage.
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Post by chron on Nov 23, 2021 20:36:23 GMT
Initially I'd qualified the parallel I was drawing but didn't think I needed to, and got rid of it. Of course there are significant differences, but I still think the comparison is instructive in terms of hazarding how Voyage might come to be viewed in the long term. And I've really become taken with this idea that the core backing band could be considered as members of ABBA; at one point I was toying with the idea of creating a thread to discuss the idea.
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Post by madonnabba on Nov 23, 2021 20:40:07 GMT
I am sure that back in the day, fans would have been divided over new albums after Arrival...I remember not being sure of The Album at first and instantly liking Voulez Vous and Super Trouper even more and then being unsure of The Visitors. This album fits into the instant like for me. I of course grew to love The Album and The Visitors. ABBA must be chuffed to be nominated for their first Grammy. Can only be good publicity for the album stateside.
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Post by Alan on Nov 23, 2021 22:08:45 GMT
ABBA recorded brand new material. And it was all four of them. This view of saying Voyage is not really ABBA is nonsense. It sounds like a comment made by people who don't care much for Voyage. No offence, but you do seem quite quick to dismiss any opinion on here that differs from your own, as though you don’t really respect what others have to say? I would never say your opinions are “nonsense” as I accept and respect them. Can you kindly give others the same courtesy? |
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Post by hejiranyc on Nov 24, 2021 0:15:35 GMT
Their first Grammy nomination?! Perfect song for it. This is incredible news and so richly deserving. I suspect that this isn't the end, since "Voyage" was released after the cutoff date for the 2022 awards. Perhaps "Voyage" will get album nods at the following Grammys ceremony. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 5:20:06 GMT
I am so thrilled with their Grammy nomination, finally they get their overdue recognition in the US!
A Brit Award nomination would be the icing on the cake for them.
ABBA must be over the moon with this announcement!!!!
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Post by madonnabba on Nov 24, 2021 11:15:58 GMT
Not a fan of award shows like the Oscars etc. At the Grammys some get overlooked unfairly and some get heaps of nominations undeservedly and awards. Depends on who is flavour of the month. Stopped watching them long ago. Paint drying is more entertaining.
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Post by JeniLP on Nov 24, 2021 14:01:29 GMT
Not a fan of award shows like the Oscars etc. At the Grammys some get overlooked unfairly and some get heaps of nominations undeservedly and awards. Depends on who is flavour of the month. But, this disagreeable fact may play into the hands of us) |
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Post by chron on Nov 24, 2021 17:19:32 GMT
Not a fan of award shows like the Oscars etc. At the Grammys some get overlooked unfairly and some get heaps of nominations undeservedly and awards. Depends on who is flavour of the month. Stopped watching them long ago. Paint drying is more entertaining. They're a trade award, and it's very hard to care about watching an industry slapping itself on the back. ( Wiki: "Samuel Johnson [has] defined honour in relationship to "reputation" and "fame"; to "privileges of rank or birth", and as "respect" of the kind which "places an individual socially and determines his right to precedence". This sort of honour is often not so much a function of moral or ethical excellence, as it is a consequence of power.") If an artist has the gumption and integrity to call bulls**t on an award (this can sometimes be signalled by indifferent acceptance), my respect for them tends to go up—it can spark enough interest to send me back to the work they've done in order to see and/or hear it in a fresh light. Here's a good and interesting list of people who've refused a royally-bestowed honour: List of people who have declined a British honour. |
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Post by bennybjorn on Nov 24, 2021 18:37:28 GMT
Well the bad news is that Adele Adkins has beaten the first week sales of Voyage with 218,000 so far.
The good news is that Voyage has overtaken Alison Krauss (as I predicted!) and is now number 4 (21,800) with a fair chance of getting past the Oasis album (24,300) and into the top 3.
Doubt it will overtake Edward's album (23,200) which although nearer in sales will probably keep selling relatively well through the week.
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Post by gary on Nov 24, 2021 20:02:41 GMT
Chronington, I love the fact that David Bowie turned down a knighthood. It makes me like him even more!
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Post by gary on Nov 24, 2021 20:13:36 GMT
The similarity between No Doubt About It and Elaine hadn’t occurred to me, but it’s definitely there.
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Post by whitepaperz on Nov 24, 2021 21:50:31 GMT
Well the bad news is that Adele Adkins has beaten the first week sales of Voyage with 218,000 so far. The good news is that Voyage has overtaken Alison Krauss (as I predicted!) and is now number 4 (21,800) with a fair chance of getting past the Oasis album (24,300) and into the top 3. Doubt it will overtake Edward's album (23,200) which although nearer in sales will probably keep selling relatively well through the week. No shock really. Cockney screecher Adele is the biggest music star in the UK at the moment. And it’s Robert Plant the main person on the Alison Krauss album tbh. |
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Post by whitepaperz on Nov 24, 2021 21:59:49 GMT
'Voyage' has become ABBA's most successful Global No.1 Album. Beating the No.1 Positions of 'Arrival', which was ABBA's previous Worldwide No.1 Studio Album. Even beating the No.1 Countries for 'ABBA Gold', which was No.1 in over a Dozen Countries. The 'Daily Mail' has done an Article about the Global success of 'Voyage'. I always read the 'DM' Comments, under ABBA Articles, as they can be quite interesting. You get those who hate ABBA, and those who love ABBA. It is quite a contrast. A few Weeks ago, the 'Daily Mail' Music 'Expert' made a huge - laughable - error, about ABBA. He totally misunderstood the History of UK Sales Awards. It was so amateur. I Commented about his error, beneath the Article/Review. BELOW -- LINK TO THE EXTREMELY FOOLISH 'DAILY MAIL' 'VOYAGE' REVIEW
link BELOW -- LINK -- TO THE 'DAILY MAIL' ARTICLE ON 'VOYAGE'S GLOBAL SUCCESS
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To be fair to the Daily Mail and The Mail on Sunday they have given the album itself very positive reviews. Understanding that they have stayed with their roots and not modernised their sound. Unlike The Guardian and one or two others who didn’t get that. More good feedback from a columnist in the Mail on Sunday, although it was linked to the tax reasons for ABBA’s stage outfits in the early 70s. How ancient is that !?! To be fair she said that she never liked ABBA in the 70s but called VOYAGE was glorious… |
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Post by Michal on Nov 25, 2021 13:52:34 GMT
Agnetha's harmonies here are great. At the risk of becoming a broken record on the matter, this shows that the vocals really could have been mixed a bit better. Actually I think the songs as a whole could have been mixed better. I haven't noticed it until I gave a listen to Voulez-Vous and The Album this week, immediately after listening to Voyage. ABBA's original albums sound crystal clear and detailed, while Voyage is a bit muffled (similar problem as with Live At Wembley Arena) and the individual instruments and voices are hard to tell apart and even after listening to the isolated backing vocals of No Doubt About It, I can't hear them on the complete recording, no matter how hard I try. But maybe it's better not to try so hard... While listening to One Man, One Woman recently for what must have been a thousandth time, I suddenly heard a line of Agnetha's backing vocal that I never noticed until then. And it happened when I was playing a board game with my children and not listening carefully. It was a real revelation. I couldn't actually believe my ears and I really don't understand how I could have been missing that part for years. So maybe 20 years on, I will be able to hear some details on Voyage that I don't hear now  |
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Post by gazman on Nov 25, 2021 14:35:36 GMT
Just in case anyone was struggling to get hold of a blue vinyl copy of 'Voyage', it is still in stock at Juno Records in the UK - www.juno.co.uk It seems that a lot of the limited issue items have now run out already, or are starting to... |
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Post by gamleman on Nov 25, 2021 15:57:27 GMT
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Post by bennybjorn on Nov 25, 2021 18:22:58 GMT
Well the bad news is that Adele Adkins has beaten the first week sales of Voyage with 218,000 so far. The good news is that Voyage has overtaken Alison Krauss (as I predicted!) and is now number 4 (21,800) with a fair chance of getting past the Oasis album (24,300) and into the top 3. Doubt it will overtake Edward's album (23,200) which although nearer in sales will probably keep selling relatively well through the week. Voyage still in 4th place but closing in on Oasis - could easily pip it and get back into the top 3 by tomorrow eve. Edward's overtaken Oasis and will prob stay at number 2. Adkins is on about 230,000 which shows there's no accounting for taste! |
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Post by steverw on Nov 25, 2021 19:24:00 GMT
Well the bad news is that Adele Adkins has beaten the first week sales of Voyage with 218,000 so far. The good news is that Voyage has overtaken Alison Krauss (as I predicted!) and is now number 4 (21,800) with a fair chance of getting past the Oasis album (24,300) and into the top 3. Doubt it will overtake Edward's album (23,200) which although nearer in sales will probably keep selling relatively well through the week. Voyage still in 4th place but closing in on Oasis - could easily pip it and get back into the top 3 by tomorrow eve. Edward's overtaken Oasis and will prob stay at number 2. Adkins is on about 230,000 which shows there's no accounting for taste! The Amazon reviews for Adele 30 from the UK and overseas are largely negative. This album is not going to have staying power beyond Christmas. Voyage might though. |
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Post by thetowerbridgefox on Nov 26, 2021 0:34:32 GMT
I would bet on ABBA winning the Grammy as ABBA records have always sounded so mush better than other records
and this album is an absolute feast I ,love every single note of it.
Also for me Voyage is French pronuciation voyarjjee as voyage is spelt the same in French and English and ABBA have had
a French title before.
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Post by bennybjorn on Nov 26, 2021 10:47:57 GMT
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Post by Michal on Nov 26, 2021 11:33:01 GMT
So it will be over a million next week. Impressive! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 17:05:36 GMT
Voyage #3 in the UK this week
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Post by bennybjorn on Nov 26, 2021 17:17:04 GMT
Voyage #3 in the UK this week Oh, I predicted it would jump up to 3 before the end of the week. Should've put some money on it! Presumably, it overtook the Oasis album with Edward S in 2nd place. |
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Post by Michel on Nov 26, 2021 17:22:36 GMT
It's #2 in the Netherlands, after two weeks at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 17:46:24 GMT
BennyBjorn yes Ed at #2 Oasis at #4
Sweden #2
Germany #2
Netherlands
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Ireland #4
Australia #5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2021 23:10:54 GMT
Another video with Bjorn and Sir Ian! Cute! Sorry, don't know how to link!
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