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Post by gamleman on May 24, 2022 9:35:20 GMT
This makes no sense. Here are the BMI Work IDs for a selection of ABBA songs over the years. They can be 6, 7 or 8-digit numbers and don't suggest a chronological order. Perhaps the numbers are randomly generated rather than sequential.
Waterloo - 1609906
Hey Hey Helen - 562038
Dancing Queen - 275475
One Man One Woman - 1121717
The King Has Lost His Crown - No result
If It Wasn't For The Nights - 704854
Super Trouper - 1433235
Slipping Through My Fingers - 33786362
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Post by gamleman on May 24, 2022 13:13:50 GMT
Nevertheless, the Voyage era entries are all 8-digit numbers starting with 52. I had a look through all of Benny's entries - there are over 700 in total and I didn't recognise most of them. Some must relate to BAO and The Hep Stars. There are quite a number of titles in languages other than English and I imagine many will relate to non-English cover versions of ABBA songs, especially from the Mamma Mia stage-productions around the world. I didn't notice any numbers similar to the Voyage numbers, apart from JLT and "Ouverture" performed by the Mamma Mia movie cast. There was no entry for "Hit By A Train". I didn't check Bjorn's entries, as I didn't expect to discover anything different there.
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Post by justabba on May 24, 2022 14:41:21 GMT
I expanded the page on BMI. universal is listed as record company/publisher. They didnt exist in the 1980s...
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Post by Juniper on May 24, 2022 15:37:44 GMT
On that BMI site, the performers listed for TDBYC include ABBA, Meryl Streep etc. There is no performer listed for Just Like That. Also, JLT is partly registered under Kopparnäset Immaterialrättigheter AB. Is that company listed as owned by Bjorn quite a new company? I looked up that they published music by BAO and Steps (Story of My Heart).
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Post by gamleman on May 24, 2022 17:01:26 GMT
BMI stands for Broadcast Music Inc and is hosted in the US, so doesn't pertain to releases in the UK. I get the impression it's for worldwide use and it may be the done thing to register your new songs with them. Many of the non-English titles under B&B's names won't have seen a US or UK release. Also, many of the songs don't have a performer listed, even when we know the song was at least recorded by ABBA, so the data is incomplete. The ID number for JLT sort of hints that it was added recently but we just can't tell in what circumstances.
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Post by bennybjorn on May 25, 2022 13:37:22 GMT
Great news - Voyage has re-entered the album chart! Knew it would! OK, so it's only currently 91 in the mid-weeks but if the reviews are positive, the top 40 surely beckons and maybe even top 20 once people start to go. Remember there are over 5 million in the UK who bought Abba Gold and fewer than 10% have taken a chance (pun intended!) on Voyage.
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Post by Sofie on May 25, 2022 13:46:15 GMT
With the Abba Voyage residency extended to the end of May 2023, will this mean more from the album eg deluxe edition, single?
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Post by abbafanie on May 25, 2022 13:58:40 GMT
Great news - Voyage has re-entered the album chart! Knew it would! OK, so it's only currently 91 in the mid-weeks but if the reviews are positive, the top 40 surely beckons and maybe even top 20 once people start to go. Remember there are over 5 million in the UK who bought Abba Gold and fewer than 10% have taken a chance (pun intended!) on Voyage. It probably won't see the effect of the opening shows and reviews until the chart released on Friday week (3rd June) due to when the tracking week starts and ends - let's hope so!
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Post by HOMETIME on May 25, 2022 14:07:53 GMT
If the reentry is a result of the preview shows and the positive feedback, the impact of tomorrow night and the subsequent news, footage and word-of-mouth will probably give it a huge boost. I think that songs from the setlist might make occasional appearances on the singles chart too.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on May 25, 2022 14:21:22 GMT
A FUTURE ABBA 'VOYAGE' DOCUMENTARY
The 'Show' had a Showing for 'Special' ABBA Fans on Monday. I was told about it last Friday, but I was told to keep my mouth shut. Because ABBA knew that some other ABBA Fans would not like it. I'm not sure if the 'Special' Fans had to Pay for their Monday Tickets, or if they were allowed to get in for Free. To reward them all, for their long term loyalty to ABBA. Only 'well known' Fans were invited - I'm told that Monday's 'Show' was Filmed for a TV Documentary. (I think that there may have been 'Media People' there too). Some of the Filmed parts, will be used, to Advertise and to Promote the 'Show'.
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Post by gamleman on May 25, 2022 15:25:20 GMT
What do you have to do to be a 'well-known fan', I wonder I saw in the Facebook group that local residents have been invited to 'dress rehearsals', so it isn't just 'special fans' that have been invited to previews. Some fans bought tickets for 27th May thinking that they would be in the very first audience and possibly see all four real ABBA members on-stage together. Then it was announced (or slipped out) that there would be a VIP premier on 26th May. Now it turns out there have been preview shows for special fans and local residents.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 25, 2022 15:33:28 GMT
I wonder if these "special fans" include the talking-head types who get interviewed on so many of these documentaries. It's a big space to fill even if Pete Waterman brought an entourage! I can see some marketing logic in doing such a thing though: filming lots of happy punters leaving the show; vox pop commentary from excited people who are guaranteed to give good soundbites. There might even have been some media luvvies whose influence and opinion could be important in the medium term. I'd love to see a documentary! It probably gives scope for some ads, and possibly even footage for a video for a couple of singles?. I can see why attendees might have been sworn to secrecy - this is the kind of move that could rub some people up the wrong way.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on May 25, 2022 15:47:16 GMT
Gameleman -- The Monday Show was to reward 'Special Fans'. I'm aware that the 'Local Residents' were invited the 'Show' on Friday & Sunday. The Monday 'Show' was not the same. It was Filmed for an ABBA Documentary. The 'Special Fans' were specifically invited to that one. It was to reward their loyalty. The rest of us - the 'Ordinary Fans' - were not to be told about it until after Monday. I was told on Friday - by a Fan who was invited. He told me to keep it to myself. He said that it was 'Very hush hush'. 'Special Fans' are ones who pop up in ABBA TV Documentaries, and some have their own Fanzines, or ABBA Web Sites. I've known a lot of them over the Years. But, I do not see myself as a 'Special Fan'. I'm far too shy and modest for such nonsense. To me, all ABBA Fans are equal to each other. None of us are 'Special'. Unless all of us are 'Special'!
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Post by Confused Person on May 25, 2022 18:05:29 GMT
Well Does That mean that The Real ABBA Members are Just going to attend the VIP Show and Not The Friday Night Premiere.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 18:10:56 GMT
Onlyabba4meagain
I don't like this idea of Special Fans either. And if a lot of them are media types/celebs they can afford the prices. I assume it was a freebie.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 25, 2022 18:49:03 GMT
Why was it a Secret? Loyal fans, meaning members of the Dutch and German fanclub/fanzine, l was under the impression tomorrow night was when members of the said were offered VIP tickets. Either way l am happy for them, of course it's a case of you need to o be in it to win it, a ticket and News of a possible Documentary in the works Bjorn mentions in a article that Abba will attend the Premiere on Friday!
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Post by matt on May 25, 2022 19:20:13 GMT
Just received an email saying that photography and video recording during the concert tomorrow night is prohibited!
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Post by joseph on May 25, 2022 19:54:22 GMT
Yuk. 'Special' fans? Such as some from that ABBAtalk group who think they're an authority on everything ABBA-related and insist on plastering their name over everything they publish even if it was originally posted by someone else? ABBA 'experts'? That lot? Sounds like elitist claptrap to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 4:28:46 GMT
Bjorn mentions in a article that Abba will attend the Premiere on Friday! I was wondering about this. I guess that's the night the media/reviewers will be there.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 9:31:12 GMT
I couldn't agree more. We are all ABBA fans. What defines " special " ? As Colin has pointed out we are all equal. " Special fans " indeed ! Yep, celebrities and the like. There are no " special fans " in my opinion.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 26, 2022 9:48:23 GMT
Yes, that is my Philosophy. We are all equal, those celebs who think they are more Special are deluded, same with Royals they are the same, just because they were born into a privilege life, accounts for nothing in my opinion, l bow to no one:)
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Post by Joyce on May 26, 2022 10:08:51 GMT
Someone wrote ‘special fans’ and now everyone takes it as fact and did ABBA’s management even use that specific term?
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Post by richard on May 26, 2022 10:14:13 GMT
Bjorn doesn't want to 'potter about in the the garden' and wants to continue doing music - and that applies to Benny, I assume - as long as it's not the entity called ABBA. Why ABBA can't continue as a recording project for a bit longer, given the health and capability, puzzles me. Maybe Frida is not overly committed to her roses either, and nor Agnetha, perhaps? I find it a bit disappointing that the Voyage project 'is it' and hasn't provided the impetus to do a little more. Still hope the show is a massive success, though.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 26, 2022 10:24:05 GMT
Of course Joyce, who knows, l am not a member of any Abba Fanclub or Fanzine at the moment, so does not affect me, who got more preferential treatment, than others and why it was Secret. Moving on..
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Post by gamleman on May 26, 2022 10:31:09 GMT
I don't expect 'special fan' is an official term. I imagine the invitees were what would be described as 'influencers' in modern-speak - people who will go on to promote the cause.
Just because Benny said that's it doesn't mean there won't be any new tracks from ABBA. We don't know exactly what they've been up to since the release of "Voyage" in November, so there could already be new tracks 'in the can' and Benny may mean there will no more ABBA recording sessions from now on.
Quite what Bjorn meant by saying the ABBAtars may have new adventures, I don't know, as surely anything new from them would require 'input' from ABBA themselves - any additions to the repertoire (not already recorded) would need ABBA participation for the motion capture.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 26, 2022 10:34:40 GMT
I have been thinking for a few days what if ABBA have secretly been recording more songs that are not due to be released until they are no longer with us I don't want to think like that
I do hope that 'Hit Me Like A Train' and the other song from the Voyage sessions do get released eventually I hope they are actually finished songs but from what Bjorn & Benny have said maybe those two songs will never be completed if this really is the end of ABBA for good if only they had reunited years ago we could have had more songs and albums.
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Post by Sindy on May 26, 2022 10:37:20 GMT
I’m guessing the new adventures for the Abbatars will entail a work visa to Las Vegas maybe next summer
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Post by gamleman on May 26, 2022 10:44:27 GMT
I have been thinking for a few days what if ABBA have secretly been recording more songs that are not due to be released until they are no longer with us I don't want to think like that That hadn't even occurred to me and I can't imagine it - it's a bit macabre. I was thinking more for a Deluxe edition of "Voyage" or a celebration compilation for 50 years since Eurovision in 2024.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on May 26, 2022 11:03:39 GMT
Joyce -- Yes, it was my terminology 'Special Fans'. It was just my name for any Fans whom ABBA, (and Universal), regard as being 'Well Known', and 'Ultra Loyal' towards ABBA. Of course, many Fans are loyal towards ABBA, but - over the Years - many Fans have appeared in ABBA Documentaries and on Talk Shows. In the 1990's, I saw several ABBA Fans on a UK Talk Show, chatting about ABBA. I think that it was 'Trisha' on ITV.
For example, I know Carl Magnus Palm, the ABBA Writer, (and 'Expert'). We exchanged Emails this morning, in fact. But, I'm not more loyal, than any other Fans, due to knowing him. Nor does CMP see me in that way. We are just 2 People, who like ABBA. The truth is, that I'm cripplingly shy, and even if ABBA 'Phoned me, and invited to the 'Show' I'd never, ever go. I'd rather go to Prison!
Years ago, I used to sometimes have my name in the UK Media - talking about ABBA. It went on for Years. Then someone told me that Frida had heard of me! I was astonished!!!
Anyhow, I'm sorry, if my using the term 'Special Fans' has angered, or upset anyone. I try - hard - not to 'fall out' with any fellow ABBA Fans. I never said that ABBA - or Universal - or ABBA's Staff, had used the Term. It was just myself.
Gameleman -- Of course, there are not huge numbers of 'Well Known'/'Special' Fans. They may have been invited, (for Monday's 'Show'), and been allowed to bring a Guest. (Or more than one). I don't know.
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Post by richard on May 26, 2022 11:13:42 GMT
[...] Just because Benny said that's it doesn't mean there won't be any new tracks from ABBA. We don't know exactly what they've been up to since the release of "Voyage" in November, so there could already be new tracks 'in the can' and Benny may mean there will no more ABBA recording sessions from now on. [...] This possibility is why I still maintain a slight hope that there might be a final, 50th Anniversary, album consisting of new songs, including those two unfinished ones. I would certainly prefer that to a celebratory anniversary compilation.
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