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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 21:34:28 GMT
The single Ring Ring was released in Sweden 50 years ago. Happy Birthday, Ring Ring!
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Post by Alan on Feb 14, 2023 23:17:44 GMT
The single Ring Ring was released in Sweden 50 years ago. Happy Birthday, Ring Ring! And it was a Wednesday, with the English version following on the 19th (a Monday). It also means that Åh, Vilka Tider is also 50 years old. The only commercially-released ABBA song never recorded in English, and so consequently most people forget about it or don’t even think of it as an ABBA recording. To be fair, it’s quite rare in terms of physical releases, usually only getting an airing in box sets (2005 Complete Studio Recordings, 2004 Japanese 30th CD box, 2014 vinyl singles box). It was even missed off the deluxe issue of Ring Ring in 2013, even though they saw fit to include tracks not actually performed by ABBA. She’s My Kind of Girl was the b-side of the English version of Ring Ring in Scandinavia, but internationally it was Rock ‘n’ Roll Band. She’s My Kind of Girl was a 1969 Björn and Benny recording that was included on international editions of the Ring Ring album. Rock ‘n’ Roll Band had also originally been a Björn and Benny recording with a few slightly different lyrics, before being re-recorded for Ring Ring. Rock ‘n’ Roll Band was the b-side of both versions of Ring Ring in the UK. Four further tracks were included on Greatest Hits in 1976, leaving the remaining six songs unreleased until 1988 when a cheap Castle Communications compilation, ABBA The Collection Vol 2, included the Scandinavian configuration of Ring Ring on Sides 2 and 4. Sides 1 and 3 included 11 tracks from ABBA Live. As this album included the Swedish version of Ring Ring, it still left She’s My Kind of Girl unreleased in the UK. The one-disc CD version of the album omitted both Rock ‘n’ Roll Band and the Swedish version of Ring Ring. Interestingly (for nerds like me anyway) there is no mention of the tracks being licensed from CBS, who were still ABBA’s UK record company licensee at that point. Instead, only ABBA’s British music publisher, Bocu Music, is credited. This might be because CBS never released either Ring Ring or ABBA Live, but six tracks from Ring Ring had been released by them. (The Collection Vol 1 was merely a compilation of singles and album tracks. This time CBS Records was credited, who were sub-licensing ABBA out to all and sundry by that point).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 12:41:51 GMT
Three fascinating things (for me) about Ring Ring
1. Which I believe you pointed out Alan, the UK release in Autumn 1973 was the first time "ABBA" was used on a release. Yet bizarrely its re-release in 1974 included the Benny, Bjorn, Agnetha, Ani-Frid (or whatever configuration). Waterloo itself had Agnetha as Anna - despite ABBA winning Eurovision as ABBA
2. A top 10 UK hit for Sweet Dreams for Honey Honey as follow up to Waterloo. Ring Ring only got to #32 in the UK. With Honey Honey being Top 5 in German speaking countries you might conclude Ring Ring was the wrong release in the UK? But was it? Would HH have done better? Aren't the Brits a bit Eurosceptic and wouldn't have bought any follow up to Waterloo in droves? ABBA needed to gain the respect of the UK population and any future big hit would have to be brilliant..
3. Very impressive it was Top 5 in other Scandinavian countries and Belgium and Netherlands in 1973 despite not winning Eurovision and not even being a Eurovision entry. I guess that was down to the marketing skills of Stig and Polar.
And how did they know Neil Sedaka and Phil Cody who helped with the English lyrics?
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Post by Alan on Feb 15, 2023 17:06:44 GMT
Yes, I suspect the exclusion of the individual names in parenthesis on the 1973 UK release was either a mistake or at the time they were just going to be ABBA. To then use them for the Waterloo singles and album in the UK was a bit pointless as they’d never been known as anything other than ABBA here.
The Waterloo album in its original artwork was also odd, as the ABBA name didn’t stand out and was the same size and font as the individual names. The UK and some other countries changed it to make the ABBA name more prominent (altering Agnetha’s name to “Anna” in the process).
The mix-up over the names does at least mean it’s very easy to tell the Ring Ring remix from the original without looking at the catalogue number. The 1973 issue fetches high prices compared to pocket money for the 1974 one.
There are many that say Honey Honey should have been released in the UK by ABBA and not Sweet Dreams, but I don’t hold with that. I honestly don’t believe ABBA would have done as well with it as Sweet Dreams, and that’s simply because of the rather toxic Eurovision connection. ABBA were entitled to their one big hit and then quietly expected to go back to Sweden and never bother us again. Thankfully they persisted and it was rewarded, but immediately after Waterloo was the wrong time.
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Post by lamont on Feb 15, 2023 17:27:53 GMT
Although the lyrics were written by others, they did capture ABBA’s future melancholy mixed with upbeat music: ‘dark & dreary,’ ‘down and feeling blue,’ ‘how can I go on…,’ Amongst others, it’s a charming little song and I love it, much more than I Do or Honey Honey.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 17:57:55 GMT
There are many that say Honey Honey should have been released in the UK by ABBA and not Sweet Dreams, but I don’t hold with that. I honestly don’t believe ABBA would have done as well with it as Sweet Dreams, and that’s simply because of the rather toxic Eurovision connection. ABBA were entitled to their one big hit and then quietly expected to go back to Sweden and never bother us again. Thankfully they persisted and it was rewarded, but immediately after Waterloo was the wrong time. Exactly! This is the primary reason why Ring Ring wasn't a big hit - and arguably why Honey Honey wouldn't have been either. As I suggested in my post Honey Honey was only Top 5 in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. It failed to make the Top 10 in Netherlands, Begium and Finland and only got to #30 in Australia It didn't do great in Canada or America either. It certainly wasn't a universal mega hit.
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Post by Alan on Mar 21, 2023 15:11:19 GMT
This is on ABBA’s socials today:
“This week ABBA’s first album ’Ring Ring’ turns 50! For a limited time only, call the number shown in the video and leave a message to ABBA.
“*Please note that the call will be charged at your local rate. When calling outside the UK, it’s an international call and will be charged accordingly. Please check with your phone provider in regards to costs prior to calling. UMG is not liabel for any charges between a third party company and the caller. Please note by calling you agree that UMG can collect personal data. UMG will delete any personal data after 24 hours from the message.”
I despair. Are we really supposed to think that ABBA are going to sit and listen to the messages? Clearly they think fans will believe that. Such a low opinion they seem to have of fans. Yeah, we’ll lap up nonsense like this.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 21, 2023 15:34:05 GMT
I saw that. How odd. At least they're upfront about taking the data. I presume they get a cut from the cost of the calls too?
I wonder if they're hoping to get some insight into what fans want from this (bonkers) exercise? Like, will someone suggest or ask for something they hadn't considered - something they could monetize? And the strangest thing of all is the number of people who have posted breathlessly about how they left a message for ABBA or one of the members. What's that old adage about fools and their money?
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Post by richard on Mar 21, 2023 17:26:00 GMT
Maybe the ABBA members are not unsympathetic to the idea that, at their ages, they should try to monetise things while they can before the interest inevitably wanes - as it surely will sometime as contemporaneous core fans, and the slightly younger ones, pass on, and as interest in their music gradually fades. After all, it has happened to The Beatles: the biggest group on the planet once; worldwide hysteria; and now not much interest at all as far as I can see.
But this 'phone in a message for ABBA' wheeze looks particularly pathetic.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 8:13:32 GMT
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 8:38:56 GMT
Someone on Facebook suggested that pre-orders might open today? Others saying the preorders might go live on Sunday - the actual anniversary of the album's release.
If Ring Ring is getting the box/pic disc/half-speed treatment this year, it seems like an even-odds bet that Waterloo will get a similar release next year. Assuming that ABBA follows in 2025, it could be at least 2026 before the overdue set for The Visitors emerges (given that the Arrival set is already out there)? Ugh.
While it's the least interesting/satisfying album for me, I like the way the picture discs have been handled for these singles. I wasn't expecting to, but I love the picture disc based on the Polar company sleeve.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 9:09:44 GMT
I just searched on Amazon but couldn’t see anything.
They really should have done The Visitors last year. That albums picture disc issue could have waited until 2024. 2026 does now seem the earliest. I’d like to think they might follow it up with Voyage.
Whilst I’m pretty certain I’ll get the Ring Ring releases (though I never bother with the half-speed albums, just the singles), I am questioning just how much more clutter I need round the house! I stopped buying DVDs a few years ago and similarly stopped CDs after Voyage. Haven’t bought a book for years. I don’t regret overdosing on Voyage vinyl (all 10 variants) but not sure I need much more physical media!
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 9:20:27 GMT
I never bother with the half-speed LPs either. I'm a big fan of the boxed singles sets, though. I'm a sucker for a well-produced picture disc too but, if it was reduced to an either/or choice, I'd happily settle for the singles box.
When the first 8 studio albums are finally done and dusted, I wonder if/how they'd approach a set for Voyage, given that the four physically-released singles had no B-sides. Four (or possibly five, depending on whether they consider NDAI a formal single) single-sided discs would require quite a brass-necked sales pitch.
And, yes, the album picture discs would have been a brilliant part of an ABBA-50 "festival" in 2024.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 11:24:01 GMT
I wouldn’t put it past them to go with one-sided vinyl if they did do it for Voyage. Or they could just use album tracks as b-sides. That would use up eight of Voyage’s 10 tracks though. Most of the ABBA album and Voulez-Vous tracks appear on singles so they could just about get away with it.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 11:54:21 GMT
On the subject of Ring Ring's 50th anniversary, Matt Pop has posted a limited-time download link to his remixes of tracks from that album. Matt's post on Facebook: Matt Pop DOWNLOAD LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST ⬇️ ABBA's album Ring Ring turns 50 this year. It's so old that they weren't even called ABBA yet at the time 😄 I had a rummage through my hard drives and found 6 remixes associated with that album. Some quite old (Disillusion, Wartesaal Der Liebe), some more recent (Rock And Roll Band!). I have gathered them in a single download for you. The link will be active for one week only. #RingRing50 Matt Pop Remixes (unofficial) ABBA - Disillusion (Matt Pop's Chasing Shadows Mix) ABBA - He Is Your Brother (Matt Pop Club Mix) ABBA - Nina Pretty Ballerina (Matt Pop Club Mix) ABBA - Rock And Roll band (Matt Pop Mix) ABBA - Wer Im Wartesaal Der Liebe Steht (Matt Pop Mix 2012 Remaster) ABBA v. Blondie - Hanging On The Ring Ring (Matt Pop Mix) Get them all here: Download link we.tl/t-ZZfaekj1UR
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 14:28:35 GMT
Apparently Ian Cole says The Visitors half-speed etc will be with us by the end of the year. Not sure how he knows that or how accurate it is.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 14:34:17 GMT
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 16:22:33 GMT
I'm with you on how boring the colour choices are for the vinyl, Alan . I wish their team would look at the fantastic range of colours being issued by other artists. The palette is truly extensive. I like the look of the box, though. Oddly, my favourite of the picture discs is the company sleeve one. I keep forgetting how expensive these items are: €16 for a single picture disc; €90+ for the box set. If the rumours about The Visitors are right (fingers crossed), my piggy bank will be seeking counselling before long. All entirely unnecessary purchases, of course, so I can only moan about my own choices here.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 16:24:51 GMT
The mash-up finds its feet in the closing section, I think. I'm fond of Disillusion and I'm still getting my head around what he's done with it. NPB is fun.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Mar 23, 2023 16:41:11 GMT
Released on 19th May 2023 Ring Ring - 50th Anniversary 2023 marks the 50th anniversary of ABBA’s first album 'Ring Ring'. To celebrate, Universal Music are releasing the album on double half-speed mastered LP, a box set of 5 coloured vinyl singles, and 5 picture disc of singles from the album – People Need Love/Merry-Go-Round He Is Your Brother/Santa Rosa Ring Ring (Bara du slog en signal)/Åh, Vilka Tider Ring Ring [English version]/She’s My Kind Of Girl Love Isn’t Easy (But It Sure Is Hard Enough)/I Am Just A Girl. All the releases have appeared on Amazon UK I would have preferred the 2001 cover to have been used for the Ring Ring album as it looks much better I wonder if the half speed master of The Visitors will be released later in the year
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Mar 23, 2023 17:08:30 GMT
I never bother with the half-speed LPs either. I'm a big fan of the boxed singles sets, though. I'm a sucker for a well-produced picture disc too but, if it was reduced to an either/or choice, I'd happily settle for the singles box. When the first 8 studio albums are finally done and dusted, I wonder if/how they'd approach a set for Voyage, given that the four physically-released singles had no B-sides. Four (or possibly five, depending on whether they consider NDAI a formal single) single-sided discs would require quite a brass-necked sales pitch. And, yes, the album picture discs would have been a brilliant part of an ABBA-50 "festival" in 2024. Have you thought that Gracias Por La Musica might get the half speed master treatment it would follow the pattern of the Deluxes
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 17:57:34 GMT
Interesting question! I guess I can imagine a half-speed LP being produced. I wonder how big a seller it might be, compared to the others? The Spanish/South American market is massive - I wonder how big the ABBA fanbase there is? I know that Chiquitita and Estoy Sonando were singles. Were there more? I can see sense in a well-produced package for the Spanish album.
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Post by Julian23 on Mar 23, 2023 19:16:58 GMT
Ring Ring box set of 7" coloured vinyl now available, but whatever happened to The Visitors box set?
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 19:22:19 GMT
I would have preferred the 2001 cover to have been used for the Ring Ring album as it looks much better. Does it? Not sure I could agree with you there. The 2001 artwork has never been used for vinyl issues as far as I know, so I wouldn’t want them to start with this. I’ve always liked the font they used for the titles of the original artwork. Plus they weren’t known as ABBA then so to place the 1976 ABBA logo onto a 1973 album has always jarred with me (and similar with Waterloo and ABBA). The 2001 artwork was a vast improvement on the previous CD artwork, but that wasn’t too difficult. It worked at the time, but I find the standardisation of titles and tracklistings a bit boring now. Too much “one size fits all”. I get that younger fans that have only known the modern artwork might prefer it, but it’s nice to see the original font used for this. Especially the picture disc covers and coloured vinyl box.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 19:31:27 GMT
Just looking at the Amazon listing. The coloured vinyl discs are transparent red, transparent yellow, white, blue and red. Super Trouper’s were all transparent, while previous issues were all solid. This time they’re going for a mix of the two.
The box is £70. This is similar to the price of the Voulez-Vous box in 2019, but that had seven singles not five. Inflation and all that…
The picture discs appear to be £16.28 at present but hopefully might come down.
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Post by HOMETIME on Mar 23, 2023 20:14:29 GMT
[...] I’ve always liked the font they used for the titles of the original artwork. Plus they weren’t known as ABBA then so to place the 1976 ABBA logo onto a 1973 album has always jarred with me (and similar with Waterloo and ABBA). [...] Yeah, I like the original font, too. That big ampersand made a nice impact on the overall image. That said, I think the News Gothic font and the ABBA logo suited the Waterloo cover very well. That's one cover that was improved, IMO. The ABBA logo made too little impact on the ABBA album and Ring Ring. The photo used for the sleeve of He Is Your Brother has less intense smiles and I think it would have worked better than the one used for the album cover.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Mar 23, 2023 21:41:51 GMT
I would have preferred the 2001 cover to have been used for the Ring Ring album as it looks much better. Does it? Not sure I could agree with you there. The 2001 artwork has never been used for vinyl issues as far as I know, so I wouldn’t want them to start with this. I’ve always liked the font they used for the titles of the original artwork. Plus they weren’t known as ABBA then so to place the 1976 ABBA logo onto a 1973 album has always jarred with me (and similar with Waterloo and ABBA). The 2001 artwork was a vast improvement on the previous CD artwork, but that wasn’t too difficult. It worked at the time, but I find the standardisation of titles and tracklistings a bit boring now. Too much “one size fits all”. I get that younger fans that have only known the modern artwork might prefer it, but it’s nice to see the original font used for this. Especially the picture disc covers and coloured vinyl box. Al the albums were re-issued on Vinyl in 2001 using the 2001 artwork hence why I would have liked the 2001 artwork I think the ABBA logo looks much better on the album I have nothing against the original cover.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 23:26:50 GMT
All the albums were re-issued on Vinyl in 2001 using the 2001 artwork hence why I would have liked the 2001 artwork I think the ABBA logo looks much better on the album I have nothing against the original cover. I think I may once have seen the albums on vinyl using the 2001 artwork, though I’m not sure that was even in the UK. It was a brief issue, at a time when interest in vinyl was at its lowest point. All issues since have used the original artwork for all albums (albeit mostly dodgy scans). I don’t think they’ll ever reissue the CDs (other than in boxed sets, like last year’s), but if they did I’d like to see the original artwork. For Ring Ring they could get round it by adding a hype sticker with the ABBA logo, and perhaps remove the individual names from Waterloo. And restore the correct fonts for the tracklistings. All pie in the sky though as the emphasis is firmly back on vinyl.
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Post by Alan on Mar 23, 2023 23:41:16 GMT
What are anyone’s memories of Ring Ring?
In the UK, this album was like forbidden fruit. Never issued on the Epic label, but six tracks from it had found their way onto UK releases. Ring Ring itself as the last track on the Waterloo album, Rock ‘n’ Roll Band as the b-side of both versions of the Ring Ring single, and then four more tracks on the original Greatest Hits, with no indication whatsoever as to where they had come from.
It must have been around 1980 that the ABBA Magazine, through the British ABBA Fan Club, offered the album for sale by mail order. This was the 1976 Polar re-issue. My brother duly ordered it, and there was a fair bit of excitement in our household when it arrived. So this was where those four mystery tracks on Greatest Hits had come from!
As I mentioned earlier in the topic, the first proper UK issue of the album was in 1988 on a budget label, also including songs from ABBA Live. The first issue of it as Ring Ring was in 1992. Everyone can hear it now, but in the 1970s and early 80s it was the album ABBA seemingly didn’t want us to hear or even know about!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 7:02:48 GMT
I was very late to the Ring Ring party. Infact I never heard it for the first time until about 2008 when I got The Albums box set.
The best tracks were the ones featured on Greatest Hits. I like Ring Ring, Nina Pretty Ballerina and Another Town, Another Train.
Overall am not impressed. It sounds quite unsophisticated - and really childish. There was no indication on this album of the greatness ABBA would create.
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