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Post by Alan on Sept 5, 2024 11:19:44 GMT
That’s not a bad idea, johnny. I’d be tempted to add Eagle as it’s in the Voyage show, but otherwise yes, this works. And perhaps they should sell it on the basis that it includes Mamma Mia! and Voyage show tracks. Regarding Eagle, what’s the betting that it will be the error 1999 single edit that turns up on this? The original, correct edit was used/exactly recreated for the deluxe of The Album in 2007, but since then the error one has reared its ugly head again.
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Post by johnny on Sept 5, 2024 11:24:50 GMT
I forgot Eagle!
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Post by Justin2024 on Sept 5, 2024 13:20:51 GMT
I got a bit of info via a friend from universal Holland. This release underwent various track listing, but in the end ABBA wanted no new tracks on this cd set.
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Post by johnny on Sept 5, 2024 13:40:31 GMT
Hmmmm, the plot thickens....or does it?
What were the alternative track lists? ABBA wanted no new songs suggests they had a say in this compilation which is just a regurgitation of similiar compilations. They are happy to re-sell basically the same old compilation with very minor changes..
ABBA didn't want new songs on this compilation...but on another? Actually I suspect not.
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Post by lamont on Sept 5, 2024 16:06:48 GMT
Yeh it’s very odd!! Especially with the news of what we were going all to be astonished this year with…something. The only redeeming feature will be new songs or live voyage show online or 77 live cd! Wishful thinking!
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Post by baab on Sept 5, 2024 16:46:58 GMT
I cannot imagine that any more releases of new material is about to happen. This compilation is clearly demonstrating that the 2 unreleased songs will not be published. Because if they would plan to publish them (e.g. in a Voyage Deluxe Set) it would in any way be in a single format, also for promotion purpose. Universal will not release an updated The Singles compilation, knowing there may be new single releases ahead in the near future.
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Post by Michal on Sept 5, 2024 17:23:01 GMT
Universal will not release an updated The Singles compilation, knowing there may be new single releases ahead in the near future. Do you think so? I think it would be a perfect excuse to release yet another complete compilation next year 😃 Actually I don't think the two unreleased songs from Voyage must be released as singles - they're outtakes after all. It's clutching at thin straws but it crossed my mind (reading thd comments above) that they may be tormenting us only to release something spectacular for Christmas. Hope is the last that leaves a man...
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Post by Alan on Sept 5, 2024 17:26:49 GMT
This release underwent various track listing, but in the end ABBA wanted no new tracks on this cd set. It was tempting to read too much into the use of the second “this” in the above, but I agree now that a release of anything new is unlikely - ever. HOMETIME used the word “posthumous” - Benny has probably had it written into his will that nothing else will get released after he’s gone. Any hope that he might have privately said to his family that they can do what they like is pie-in-the-sky, I’m afraid. I wasn’t going to buy this anyway but now the possibility exists that it could, at one point, have had previously unreleased stuff on it has made me even more determined to shun it. Have to feel a bit sorry for the ABBA team at Universal. They’re having to pedal this and say “ooh, look, it’s got some unseen photos” because there’s nothing else to say. Very sad.
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Post by baab on Sept 5, 2024 18:00:44 GMT
It's clutching at thin straws but it crossed my mind (reading thd comments above) that they may be tormenting us only to release something spectacular for Christmas. Hope is the last that leaves a man... But that's what I mean: Your "spectacular release" would need a single release for promotion in any form! And you cannot release a singles compilation knowing future releases lie ahead... Well, in my opinion...
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Post by Michal on Sept 5, 2024 18:09:00 GMT
I'm definitely not buying this either.
1. There's nothing new 2. It's really ugly - both the Definitive and Essential collections had classy covers. This ond looks like a low budget compilation from the mid 90s.
The irony is that I was prepared to spend A LOT on ABBA this year. Well, I'll buy the 30th anniversary of Crash! Boom! Bang! instead - more than 20 bonus tracks and an upscaled CBB concert on DVD - that's the way to treat the fans
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Post by Alan on Sept 5, 2024 18:23:18 GMT
Is it time to admit now that johnny was right all along? That if the two Voyage outtakes were considered good enough to release, then why did they resurrect Just A Notion? And the clues were there. Just Like That and I Am The City weren’t considered good enough in 1982, hence why they went back and recorded three more songs (all of which were released). Then, as now, it was believed by some that these tracks were being saved for a future project. I never believed the two 1982 tracks were but I hoped for something with the Voyage ones. It would seem that isn’t the case. If Just A Notion had to be scraped off the bottom of the barrel then there was really no hope for Hit By A Train or the other one.
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Post by Michal on Sept 5, 2024 18:50:25 GMT
It's clutching at thin straws but it crossed my mind (reading thd comments above) that they may be tormenting us only to release something spectacular for Christmas. Hope is the last that leaves a man... But that's what I mean: Your "spectacular release" would need a single release for promotion in any form! And you cannot release a singles compilation knowing future releases lie ahead... Well, in my opinion... I don't think so. A compilation (or anthology, if we speak of a "spectacular" release) doesn't need singles, especially in the age of streaming. I Am The City was not released as a single when More ABBA Gold came out. The Thank You For The Music box had no singles to promote it, except for that four track promo, which was not for sale. And as I said before, even if there were any singles planned, I don't think Universal would be much bothered - they can release a similar compilation in five years' time again.
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Post by Michal on Sept 5, 2024 18:53:23 GMT
Yeh it’s very odd!! Especially with the news of what we were going all to be astonished this year with…something. Yes, I can't help but think about Janne Schaffer - is he really so senile that he gets excited about this?
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Post by baab on Sept 5, 2024 20:37:06 GMT
^ I've also counted on Janne...
On 29th September, the new BAO Album will be released, all songs written by Benny and Björn ^^
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Post by bjorenny on Sept 5, 2024 21:18:33 GMT
If only that were a smokescreen for a new ABBA album instead.
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Post by justabba on Sept 5, 2024 21:42:25 GMT
I didn't mean to give the impression that further releases were possible or on cards. I think bar a gold atmos perhaps this is most likely "it".
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Post by Alan on Sept 5, 2024 21:54:47 GMT
Yes, I can't help but think about Janne Schaffer - is he really so senile that he gets excited about this? I almost laughed out loud at this comment. I’m finding myself wanting to be more unkind about Benny though, rather than Janne. It’s possible more was planned when Janne said that but Benny put the kibosh on it. I keep thinking about Agnetha at the Voyage premiere. Unusually for her, she made her thoughts clear: it was Benny that was the stumbling block. Frida was just as surprised too but Agnetha made it more obvious. By last year (promoting the reissue of “A”) she refused to say anything about ABBA, thereby neither confirming nor denying that anything was in the pipeline.
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Post by Michal on Sept 6, 2024 4:11:30 GMT
Alan , I know that Janne is surely not to blame. For me his hint was one of the strongest indications that something would happen this year. Along with Björn's comment that they must do something more than another boring reissue, Agnetha's "you never know with ABBA" and even Benny's shocking confession that Just Like That is actually not that bad. Even the suggestion that something was planned and Benny vetoed it seems strange to me. Don't the other three have a say in the matters at all? Remember the talks about twisting Benny's arm after the release of Voyage? I'm sure if all three wanted to release something, they could persuade him, even if there is the rule "when one of us says no, it's no". As it is, the most exciting moment of this year was the Order of Vasa ceremony. And to be fair, I enjoyed the Q&A before the anniversary Voyage performance. However, it's too little for an anniversary of this importance.
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Post by Michal on Sept 6, 2024 4:14:04 GMT
I didn't mean to give the impression that further releases were possible or on cards. I think bar a gold atmos perhaps this is most likely "it" Even that would be better than what we are getting. And I was almost certain that the 4K videos would be released this year. Is the second of November too late for this, I wonder...
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Post by Alan on Sept 6, 2024 7:50:58 GMT
Michal, I’m taking the “when one of us says no, it’s no” to primarily mean Benny in this case. He was the creative powerhouse of the Voyage album. Björn was reduced to “just” writing the lyrics and contributing backing vocals. He didn’t co-produce it with Benny (as he had in the past) or even play guitar. I don’t want to belittle his involvement but the more control Benny has, the more say he has. Officially equal, but some are more equal than others! Agnetha and Frida were always treated as merely the singers that only came in to do their bits. I want to be harsh and say he’s become a grumpy old man but I think he always was. It might be more obvious now, and I know the language barrier doesn’t help, but I think as people get older, their eccentricities intensify. Look at Morrissey (though I’m in no way comparing Benny to him). They’re aware they’re not immortal and therefore decide that, within reason, they can do what they want. I’ve seen this with, say, Kate Bush. For decades I’d defend her but in recent years it’s become clear that she just can’t be arsed! Like ABBA, she’d rather re-sell her back catalogue over and over again in new variants. I saw something on a social about a new BAO album. That’s clearly where Benny’s heart lies. He is in full control there, no media whore Björn to compete with, no internationally-recognised female singers that steel the show and everyone adores. And the whole “they owe us nothing” thing I used to believe and fundamentally still do but it’s over-used now. People say it to shame others into making themselves feel ungrateful (I’ll be honest and say I’ve used it like that in the past, even to Colin on here. I wouldn’t anymore, and I apologise to him and any others I directed it at). Everyone has the right to feel aggrieved and not be derided for it.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 6, 2024 8:00:32 GMT
I may have got the pricing wrong... However on Good Morning Britain, this morning. Literally a 5 second , sound bite....
It was mentioned that ABBA fans are in uproar at the price of the 4 album set, £ 96 was mentioned.. is that right ? If true or even close to true,how do " they " expect it to be bought, when every single track can be streamed for a fraction of the price....
Again this is for those totally dedicated fans who don't mind spending... each to their own I guess....
just checked on Amazon..... £110 and dont forget 99p, you really must be, ( being polite.. off your trolley) .....as said each to their own... but seriously how many at that price are going to be sold... a few 1000 at most....
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Post by justabba on Sept 6, 2024 8:01:50 GMT
Absolutely agree Alan. In fact I was discussing this very point with my abba friend not 5 minutes ago! For " when one of us says no", read that Benny has 100 votes to their 1.
Unfortunately we will have to accept there will never be more abba in certainly my lifetime.
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Post by lamont on Sept 6, 2024 8:17:59 GMT
I remember the ABBA Express fanzine in the 80s commenting on whether ABBA would reunite, they collected all the quotes from the members and astonishingly (at the time.) it was Benny who came out as the least forthcoming in wanting it to happen, where everyone thought it would be Agnetha, unless she was just more coy in her interviews. It seems to be true that Benny is the one who has the authority, and I think he always had. In 82 where a new album was in the making, and Bjorn saying they would record it alongside Chess, it was Benny who thwarted that. I think the Voyage era was Benny in a way putting a full stop on ABBA, hoping that the reunion would stop the never ending question of a reformation. I’m always hopeful though!
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Post by Tinneke on Sept 6, 2024 10:19:54 GMT
After receiving the royal award Benny said: now we are done. This release proves just that. Nothing new on it. It's over boys and girls.
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Post by Alan on Sept 6, 2024 10:29:37 GMT
On the official ABBA Facebook page (well, I’m assuming it’s official, who knows these days?), someone asked, “where are the coloured vinyls and picture discs?”, to which I replied, “Stuff that, where are the unreleased tracks?”
And that’s the sorry state of affairs we’re in. We’ve become so used to multiple variants that we now see it as the norm and therefore acceptable, and something to get excited about, rather than seeing through it as a ploy to make people buy the same thing several times.
OK, so I know I bought into it by eventually buying all ten vinyl variants of Voyage but that was a one-off. It was a new ABBA album, an event. To then expect it for a multi-disc compilation is another matter. They know the game is up on ABBA. Trying to sell this compilation at all is difficult. To try and sell it multiple times over would be the end of the line.
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Post by voyage2 on Sept 6, 2024 11:06:53 GMT
I've never really expected anything after we got the Voyage album and the show to be honest. For me, 2022 was the 50 year anniversary, the Eurovision anniversary has never meant that much to me. The only thing that maybe got me thinking that we could get another single was Janne's comment, Benny's comment re the two unreleased tracks, although unwise maybe, never made me think we would get them as, well, it was Benny after all saying it lol!! If only everyone would just say 'no' or nothing (Janne)!!, then would we all be wondering if there's more??! Pre 2018, I never expected any more, so I feel blessed as it is. I do get people feeling let down to a certain degree, but there's plenty of ABBA tracks to listen to and other artists that are great. In fact, was listening to TACOM this morning, it's soooo good!!
Maybe the 'First 50 years', could mean we get "Years 51 - 53 - Voyage Atmos" with the two new songs added next year!!? Sorry!!!!
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Post by Alan on Sept 6, 2024 11:10:54 GMT
I assumed you were expecting another album, voyage2, given your username! 😀
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Post by voyage2 on Sept 6, 2024 11:33:11 GMT
I'm always the optimist Alan!! 😀
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Post by johnny on Sept 6, 2024 11:33:12 GMT
Voyage2, I never expected anything after the Voyage album and show either. I think some people getting carried away with Frida's polite "never say never", Agnetha's playful "they want more", Benny saying two unfinished tracks were "quite good" and Bjorn admitting they couldn't just release the same old stuff again.
The Singles the First 50 years a clear nod to the 1982 version which did contain new songs that were singles.
Songs not good enough to make a studio album could not feature on it. A place for them would be a revamped More Gold, like I am the City, a snippet on an updated Thankyou for the Music Box Set like Just Like That or an elusive Anthology. But don't expect too much in reality.
It would be interesting to speculate if ABBA stuck at those first 2 Voyage songs and put them on The Singles album - released in 2022 around the time of the Voyage show, instead of the Voyage album. Under those circumstances the compilation would be well received, I'd imagine.
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Post by voyage2 on Sept 6, 2024 11:40:09 GMT
Yes Johnny, the first two Voyage singles added to 1982's 'The Singles' could have worked, but I wouldn't be without the Voyage album now! I really like it.
I must admit, I prefer the 'First 50 Years' photo than the one on 'The First 10 Years' - never liked that one!
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