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Post by Alan on Sept 6, 2024 12:09:55 GMT
Yes, that is the big difference. The Day Before You Came, Under Attack and Cassandra were written and recorded specifically for single release, and to include on The Singles (though only two A-sides were needed, always good to have a spare). I Am The City and Just Like That were outtakes from an abandoned album project.
The Voyage outtakes were just that (and as I said earlier, if they were that good then Just A Notion wouldn’t have seen the light of day).
I’d rather things as they were - a full new album and nothing added to a compilation - than only the first two Voyage singles released and added to a compilation released much earlier. Those two songs deserved a permanent home.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Sept 6, 2024 12:35:55 GMT
Voyage2, I never expected anything after the Voyage album and show either. I think some people getting carried away with Frida's polite "never say never", Agnetha's playful "they want more", Benny saying two unfinished tracks were "quite good" and Bjorn admitting they couldn't just release the same old stuff again. The Singles the First 50 years a clear nod to the 1982 version which did contain new songs that were singles. Songs not good enough to make a studio album could not feature on it. A place for them would be a revamped More Gold, like I am the City, a snippet on an updated Thankyou for the Music Box Set like Just Like That or an elusive Anthology. But don't expect too much in reality. It would be interesting to speculate if ABBA stuck at those first 2 Voyage songs and put them on The Singles album - released in 2022 around the time of the Voyage show, instead of the Voyage album. Under those circumstances the compilation would be well received, I'd imagine. For me it's Benny's comment and Benny's comment alone that got my hopes up. I fully respect that they're their songs and if they don't want to release it that's their prerogative. But historically songs that Bjorn and Benny didn't like much have still often been really good - both Just Like That and I Am The City are great, for example. And they're even critical of some songs they released which I absolutely love like You Owe Me One. So there's that small part of my brain that thinks, 'Why can't they just release them and let those of us who'll love it love it?' And I say this for other outtakes I'm desperate to hear like the full version of Here Comes Rubie Jamie. Not everyone will like them. Heck, most except diehard fans will ignore then. But it'd be something new that would actually be worth putting some money down for.
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Post by richard on Sept 6, 2024 13:38:13 GMT
I agree with Alan's point that they wouldn't've bothered with Just A Notion if the two unreleased songs were all that. But as well as saying they were "quite good", didn't Benny also say that they required more work? But one wonders now if he's changed his mind about how good these songs are and hasn't wanted to devote any more time to them either because they're not worth it - or because they're ABBA and not BAO, which Alan suggests (and I agree again) is where Benny's main interest in music is nowadays - and has been for a long time, I'd add.
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Post by johnny on Sept 6, 2024 13:48:28 GMT
According to Anazon UK the CD version is #1 Best Seller with 200 sold (well ordered)
The mega expensive vinyl version is #15 with 50 copies sold...
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on Sept 6, 2024 14:21:46 GMT
£110 for the vinyl version is an absolute joke tbf. With a bit of shopping around you could buy ALL their vinyl studio albums for less than that...
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 6, 2024 15:46:51 GMT
Oh dear it's getting all over the media.. The Mail and Sun online are saying a complete rip off.... especially the 4 LPs at £100 plus...
Not going down well is it....
Afraid it's to late to listen to the people that matter.... us.....marketing have got this very wrong.....
They would have been better not releasing anything.......
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Post by johnny on Sept 6, 2024 16:12:32 GMT
Greed.
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Post by Alan on Sept 6, 2024 16:45:49 GMT
Well, they could have gone further and released a compilation with every ABBA track released as a single somewhere in the world. Someone on the PopJustice forum compiled a complete list so I’m pasting it here: _____
Ok, here goes, I think this is a fairly complete list of songs released as actual A-side singles in various places around the world:
People Need Love He Is Your Brother Ring Ring Another Town, Another Train Love Isn't Easy (But It Sure Is Hard Enough) Rock n Roll Band Nina, Pretty Ballerina I Am Just A Girl Waterloo Honey Honey Hasta Manana So Long I've Been Waiting For You I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do Bang-A-Boomerang SOS Mamma Mia Rock Me Fernando Dancing Queen Money Money Money Knowing Me, Knowing You That's Me The Name of the Game Take A Chance On Me Eagle/Thank You For The Music Summer Night City Chiquitita Does Your Mother Know Voulez-Vous Angeleyes / Voulez-Vous Gimme Gimme Gimme As Good As New I Have A Dream The Winner Takes It All On and On and On Super Trouper Happy New Year Andante Andante Lay All Your Love On Me One of Us When All Is Said and Done Head Over Heels The Visitors The Day Before You Came Under Attack I Still Have Faith In You Don't Shut Me Down Just A Notion Little Things No Doubt About It (which was apparently a digital single in Sweden and charted at #29)
This doesn't include promotional only releases, such as the Japanese "Slipping Through My Fingers" Coca-Cola release, or the Spanish versions as Chiquitita, Gracias Por La Música, Andante Andante, Estoy Soñando, Felicidad, No Hay a Quien Culpar, Fernando, Se Me Está Escapando, Hasta Manana and Dame! Dame! Dame! were all singles in various countries. I’ve also not included regional language tracks like the Swedish Ring Ring or French Waterloo releases.
A few others are not included either, songs like King Kong Song which never had an A-side single release, but charted in Sweden in 1974 and Australia in 1975 from radio airplay. There’s a few of those.
Thank You For The Music has been a single 3 times - 1978 double A-side with Eagle, an A-side single in 1983 to promote the compilation of the same name and again 1992 to promote "Gold". _____
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Post by johnny on Sept 6, 2024 16:57:58 GMT
No Doubt About It wasn't a single as such in Sweden. It charted due to being a track from Voyage. Unlike the UK no limit yo how many tracks by an artist in the chart.
The week Voyage was released all the tracks charted with When I Danced With You being the highest at #8. DSMD and ISHFIY charted in September of course and peaked at #1 and #2.This Song also reached the lower levels of the British and Dutch charts, #67 in both, I think. Who knows how it might have done if there was a CD version and released instead of JAN
I think Thankyou for the Music was a single on its own in South Africa in 1978.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Sept 6, 2024 17:18:26 GMT
Wow, this is beyond disappointing. I just saw the annoucement for the first time and at first thought this had to be a fan-made pirate release. This looks all over the place and unprofessional. The font looks as it's amateurishly imitating the classy 1982 original, the photo doesn't look great and the scarlet tone neither. The tracklist is not well thought out. Where the Definitive Collection was equally weighted, this strangely leans towards early ABBA and I also find half of the Voyage album too much here. I particularily find the 1980-1982 era downsized unproportionally. Then, personal preferences aside, having a 4 LP ABBA compilation that does not include "Thank You For The Music" in favour of ephemeral 'singles' like "Hasta Manana" and "No Doubt About It" is downright absurd. "The First 50 Years" is a baffling statement to me and sounds like a bad joke, especially when the 1982 original had included two new tracks while we're all waiting for the two unreleased Voyage recordings. I see no point in even considering getting this.
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 6, 2024 19:01:21 GMT
The media reaction to the price is interesting - and welcome. It's even harder to have sympathy for either ABBA or Universal, hearing that efforts to make the tracklist more interesting might have been rebuffed. The release looks like the result of an ambitious-but-dejected compiler having been put back in their box. We don't even have to wait a month to hear it, either. Absolutely anyone could stream this "album" right now by making a playlist on any platform. Why should anyone pay a cent more, unless they're particularly anxious to have it in physical form, with (ooooh!) some unseen photos?
This landmark anniversary has been utterly squandered. A platform from which so many interesting opportunities could have sprung contains just one 10" EP, a truncated documentary, and an overpriced compilation. The Waterloo half-speed and singles box don't count, because they're just a part of a series. They were coming anyway.
To their credit, Universal have been really respectful of the brand and the music. Until now, reissues have been well handled. And yet it seems that ABBA/Benny don't trust them to curate something that would please the fans and the broader public alike. Something tells me that some poor sap probably jokingly came up with the cheesy, throwaway "first fifty years" tagline idea, and now has to endure the embarrassment of seeing it emblazoned on a cheaply designed sleeve containing a glorified Spotify playlist.
The ABBA Museum webshop says this:
"ABBA presents “The Singles – The First Fifty Years,” a special collectors item. This is a 38-track compilation album that builds on their classic 1982 release, “The Singles – The First Ten Years.”
This expanded edition showcases ABBA’s greatest hits, along with rare tracks not found on other compilations, including singles from their latest studio album, Voyage.
All pre-orders are considered a fulfilled order, we are unable to handle cancellation.
This is a collector’s item, limited to 2 products per order."
The claim about "rare tracks not found on other compilations, including singles from their latest studio album, Voyage" is a bit rich! Rare to whom? Apart from the Voyage tracks, absolutely everything has appeared on other compilations. And "special collectors item"? Puh-lease!
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Post by gary on Sept 6, 2024 19:31:17 GMT
Must admit I like the title!
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Post by lamont on Sept 6, 2024 21:03:19 GMT
This release has caused a flurry of activity on this forum! The only positive!
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Post by Alan on Sept 7, 2024 0:47:44 GMT
More shameless nicking from the ABBA expert on the PopJustice forum. This is really interesting stuff: _____
According to Carl Magnus Palms “ABBA On Record”, I Can Be That Woman, Bumblebee, an early version of Ode To Freedom (which had a different title at that stage), Hit By A Train and at least 2 other unfinished songs were recorded between 21 - 25 January and 11-12 February 2019. Lasse Wellander played on the song and confirmed its existence, as did Bernard Löhr.
It was revisited on 10 June 2019 sessions, Frida & Agnetha laid down their vocals for the track between 2nd and 3rd September 2019.
The ABBA Voyage band were played the early mixes of ISHFIY and Don’t Shut Me Down in early 2020 to learn them, they also heard early versions of I Can Be That Woman, Bumblebee and the unfinished Hit By A Train, but they only got to hear them once.
When ABBA reconvened in April 2021, the song had been scrapped and Just A Notion had been dusted off. Keep An Eye On Dan and When You Danced With Me were also recorded in the April 2021 sessions.
It appears that by 16th April 21, the final tracks had been decided on and the only thing that happened after that was mixing, some overdubs and the children’s choir for Little Things. _____
And a further post: _____
Looking at the dates. These are only the sessions that all 4 ABBA members were in the studio:
29/05/2017 - 2/6/2017: ISHFIY and DSMD were recorded
December 2018: all 4 in the studio finishing off the first 2 songs
January - February 2019: recording I Can Be That Woman, Bumblebee, Hit By A Train, early version of Ode To Freedom and 2 other unfinished tracks
2nd & 3rd September 2019: additional work on I Can Be That Woman, Bumblebee and Hit By A Train
6th - 16th April 2021: recording When You Danced With Me, Little Things, Keep An Eye On Dan, No Doubt About It, Little Things, Ode to Freedom
So it’s entirely possible that Hit By A Train became, either in whole or partly, Keep An Eye On Dan or No Doubt About It.
We know they’re always recycling melodies - Dream World, Get On The Carousel, I Am An A, Baby, Rubberball Man, Just Like That all ended up in other songs after all. _____
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Post by Michal on Sept 7, 2024 5:16:05 GMT
According to Anazon UK the CD version is #1 Best Seller with 200 sold (well ordered) The mega expensive vinyl version is #15 with 50 copies sold... Oh, it's literally flying off the shelves, isn't it? 😂
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Post by bjorenny on Sept 7, 2024 5:16:58 GMT
If either of the 2 unreleased songs were scrapped and recycled into parts of other Voyage songs, why would Benny say there are 2 unfinished songs that need a bit more work by him? If they'd been scrapped completely, there'd be no more work to do on them. It still doesn't mean we'll ever get to hear them, but at least it sort of proves they still exist, and aren't now the bridge in No Doubt About It, for example.
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Post by Michal on Sept 7, 2024 5:19:37 GMT
Have you heard the new BAO song Lagt Kort Ligger? Unusually poppy - could easily have been an ABBA song (grrr)
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Post by johnny on Sept 7, 2024 5:40:58 GMT
Interesting post Alan about timeline for Voyage songs. First two songs took and age and quite a few recorded in April 2021 (typo, you put 2022) [Thanks - corrected]
Very plausible Hit By a Train ins incorporated into another song, or songs. As pointed out by Bjorenny why suggest they need finishing off.
Aa suspected JAN was a bit of desperation.
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Post by justabba on Sept 7, 2024 5:42:21 GMT
If either of the 2 unreleased songs were scrapped and recycled into parts of other Voyage songs, why would Benny say there are 2 unfinished songs that need a bit more work by him? If they'd been scrapped completely, there'd be no more work to do on them. It still doesn't mean we'll ever get to hear them, but at least it sort of proves they still exist, and aren't now the bridge in No Doubt About It, for example. That's a very wise observation! I don't think anyone has mentioned Little Boots opinion on Hit by a train. She described it as...dark, beautiful and very abba. She was suprised to not find it on voyage. I think everything has been said here about the 50th anniversary year. This compilation I think will flop badly and it could have so easily been so different. Heigh ho.
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Post by johnny on Sept 7, 2024 6:39:50 GMT
Any evidence that this new compilation was going to have a different tracklist, and if so, what changes?
The title The Singles the First 50 Years is a link to the 1982 compilation but it's really a follow on from The Definitive Collection and The Essential Collection
Looking at the tracklists for these two they both had the signature song Thankyou for the Music on Side 1 and The Visitors on Side 2.
TEC was slightly better. Side 1 also had Vang a Boomerang, One Man One Woman and That's Me. And Side 2 started at the start of 1979 with Chiquitita not halfway through with Voulez Vous.
On The Singles 50, I would have left off 3 of the Ring Ring songs at the start of Side 1 and 3 of the Voyage songs at the end of Side 2.
Having a 'Singles" album and linking it to 1972-2022 was restrictive.
I think this album will be a huge flop - and rightly so.
In the Amazon "Pop" charts the CD and vinyl versions are #2 and #18. Down already from yesterday.
In the wider Amazon charts #16 and #72. It really isn't going to do well, is it?
There's nothing "new" as in finished, but unreleased left. All you have are demos and early versions, which may be interesting to a small group of hard-core fans and that's about it.
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Post by justabba on Sept 7, 2024 8:00:04 GMT
Im struggling to see exactly who this set was aimed at. Johnny Im sure youre very aware any "new" as in unreleased tracks would have made this set an absolute MUST for any fan. Any causal fan would buy Gold, 18 hits etc. The track listing on this is so dull, uninspiring that I cannot see very many people interested in buying it at all. Even a classy ABBA PLATINUM double cd with a better thought out track listing would have garnered much more interest. The press and media are right to call out this cheap, shoddy piece of work - and this was going to be our fantastic ABBA year!?!?
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Post by johnny on Sept 7, 2024 8:11:58 GMT
Yes, new but unreleased tracks would have made a difference - but there aren't any. Not completed songs anyway.
The only compilations that *could* work are one for casual fans featuring songs from Mamma Mia abd Voyage, my proposed Gold 2.
Or for hard-core fans an album with previously unreleased songs. It seems there are no completed unreleased songs and no interest in releasing demos, unfinished songs or alternate mixes.
This new compilation won't appeal to either hard-core fans or casual fans.
Oh, and supposing Hit By a Train or some other song were finished they would be out of place on an album called The Singles. You would need a different type of compilation, which isn't going to be released. Not anytime soon anyway.
ABBA are releasing less archive stuff. A Thankyou for the Music Box Set with that Unreleased section would not be released now. The revamped The Albums box set had fewer bonus tracks and a completed song like I sm the City would not these days appear on a new compilation.
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Post by Michel on Sept 7, 2024 8:47:53 GMT
To me, tha glaring omissions on this set are Thank You For The Music, On And On And On and The Visitors. I would leave out the last three Voyage singles and also Hasta Manana.
I agree that it would work better if CD2 started from 1979 onwards (Chiquitita) and not have Chiquitita and Does Your Mother Know at the end of CD1.
In 2014 they had a 2CD compilation in Japan 40/40 The Best Selection which was a good idea. 40 tracks on 2 CD's voted for by Japanese ABBA fans. There you have a nice mix of the hits combined with album tracks. It also includes She's My Kind Of Girl, a pre-ABBA hit in Japan. If I'm not mistaken this release also has all the songs that are featured in the Mamma Mia musical.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Sept 7, 2024 10:30:43 GMT
We can't know for certain how far progessed the two unreleased Voyage songs actually are and especially have become since Benny announced them. To me, it sounded like they were principally whole recordings that possibly needed some more overdubs and to be mixed.
As to whom this compilation is aimed at: despite it seeming aimed at a larger market, I reckon that in the end, it will be some collectors and fans mostly who buy it. That particularily goes for the vinyl version. The 2 CD set is a handy product that's somewhat reasonably priced and, if you're a casual buyer who just walked out of the Museum or Voyage, you might take it along in the store. Then, for such impulsive buys, packaging is a big factor. And while this had always been a forte of ABBA releases, this isn't looking the high quality and classy product that you would want to get of music you would otherwise possibly stream. While the major compilations like Gold, Thank You For The Music, The Definitive/Essential Collection, even 18 Hits gave ABBA a classy and timeless look with well-chosen pictures or no picture at all and a neat, black-based look, this got an unserious title, bad typography and makes ABBA look like a dated and somewhat tacky 70s band in glaring red. It's such a letdown to their legacy. Even contentwise, it won't be fully satisfying for an ABBA newbie who wants to get their first and maybe only ABBA product. With "Thank You For The Music", it misses a signature track. May one consider it overrated or not, it's like offering a comprehensive Queen compilation and not adding "We Are The Champions". It just has to be there, and it has been all of the compilations I listed above for good reason. If you came from Voyage, you will find the opening number "The Visitors" missing. If you discovered ABBA through TikTok and Instagram trends and covers, you will notice "Slipping Through My Fingers" and "Our Last Summer" missing. The same goes for if you came via Mamma Mia. The 4 LP set then is a very bulky product that comes at a three-figure price. It's not something you grab on the go. If you're a casual buyer, you'd probably find it too large and expensive, and even if you want to invest into ABBA vinyl in this quantity, you might as well add up a little more to get the albums box set that's much better value and the far more satisfying product. If you're a fan or collector who's also getting all kinds of anniversary picture disc reissues, you might be in for this set as well.
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Post by Alan on Sept 7, 2024 11:02:56 GMT
rickyrocknroller, I’m one of those that get the anniversary issues you refer to (coloured vinyl singles boxes and picture discs), but I’m not at all interested in this. The difference is that those are reissues of historical releases. Replicas (well, dodgy scans in places) of what came out originally. It was mentioned earlier in the topic about Disc 2 of this (or vinyl sides 5 to 8), that, with two tracks removed and two others added, could have been Greatest Hits Vol 3. And then put in a box with reissues of the original two Greatest Hits. I’d have been up for that, and if they’d used the UK park bench sleeve for the first volume, I’d probably have splashed out on both the CD and vinyl versions. Or even if they’d used the exact The Singles 10 artwork from 1982 I might have been interested in the CD, as again there’s an historical context. But I’ve zero interest in this tacky-looking thing. Nothing historical there to get my interest.
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Post by lamont on Sept 7, 2024 11:43:44 GMT
I’d be interested in seeing others 2 CD compilation release? I like seeing fans choosing songs, but being restricted to 77 minutes? Let’s see them! You can keep the singles title, or just The First 50 years title. I’m going to work on mine.
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Post by Alan on Sept 7, 2024 11:53:17 GMT
One other thing I’ve heard confirmed:
Carl Magnus Palm has said he was involved in choosing the track listing, and that No Doubt About It was only included as it’s the only thing that fitted with 2022.
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 7, 2024 12:02:44 GMT
As much as we'd love to have them, the two unreleased songs are not the only keys to making this lazy compilation worthwhile. It didn't have to be a megabucks boxset. It didn't have to be wall-to-wall singles. There are great album tracks that have been elevated by the Mamma Mia! franchise. There are songs given new prominence by the Voyage show. There are songs dear to the ABBA members that weren't singles. There are even unreleased Tretow remixes of four significant tracks. There are the well-recorded live songs from the Dick Cavett interview. There are probably enough decent live recordings from 1977. There are the singles missing from Gold, and the Voyage singles of course. A one-CD/two-LP set from that selection could have offered something interesting, satisfying, unexpected. There's enough to pull something something from each era and attach a title that celebrates the half-century. Even if it became a more expensive 2-CD/4-LP set like the one currently being peddled, it would offer way more value for money.
Getting back to the unreleased songs, there is that post-release interview with Benny that seems to suggest that the two songs actually exist (as in, have not been recycled into released Voyage songs), and that the remaining work seems to be on the production side. IMO, hitching them to a singles album puts unnecessary pressure on songs that could be better enjoyed as album tracks - or even as "bonus tracks"... a category that can help manage expectations.
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Post by johnny on Sept 7, 2024 12:33:05 GMT
You're exactly right Hometime - because you're saying what I am saying.😀
It should have been more of a Best Of than Singles. Actually, I'd prefer a revamped More Gold, if only to circumvent the chart eligibility rules for compilations that could penalise Gold. For sure songs from Mamma Mia! and the Voyzge show.
It's possible that Hit By a Train could be more or less completed AND used in another song - just like that! "But Just Like That was never intended to be released". Well, it looks like that for Hit By a Train, too.Yep, couldn't be on a Singles album if not a single and there would be those expectations.
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 7, 2024 13:24:44 GMT
[...] It's possible that Hit By a Train could be more or less completed AND used in another song - just like that! "But Just Like That was never intended to be released". Well, it looks like that for Hit By a Train, too.Yep, couldn't be on a Singles album if not a single and there would be those expectations. I take that point. We have Happy Hawaii and Dream World as precedent. However, if one or both of the unreleased songs had been plundered for parts and used in released Voyage material, I kinda doubt that Benny would refer to them as tracks that just need a bit more tweaking. I think he'd regard them as having done their jobs, with the possibility that some remaining parts could be incorporated in songs yet to be composed. At this point, I'm packing away any hope of ever hearing them.
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