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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2024 13:15:38 GMT
I ordered this too. I also understood that it would include the single EP Waterloo, as it said in the description. But it seems to be a replica of the Waterloo single that holds the two CD's on each side. You can see creases in the 7" sleeve on the right top and bottom. Hope my copy won't arrive like that! I didn’t really put too much hope into the Waterloo single, but as you say, those creases! I hope it’s not something in the packaging that’s causing that. Have to agree with others, I’m underwhelmed by the unboxing outcome. I never really see the point of putting posters into these things. No one ever puts them on the wall and they’re a part of the item so you leave them as they are. Why would you hang it up with all those folds in it?!
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Post by Alan on Oct 27, 2024 13:27:23 GMT
But apart from the single sleeves no pictures of the Voulez Vous, Super Trouper, The Visitors or Voyage period, nothing! I see that as being part of their reinvention of ABBA for the Voyage show. The video for I Still Have Faith In You doesn’t have any footage in it from after 1978 apart from the backstage 1979 tour scenes where they’re preparing to go on stage, and of course the Voyage show has them frozen in time mixing how they actually looked in 1977 with what they might have looked like had they emerged now. They seem to want people to forget their 1980 and after image, even though the evidence is very easy to find.
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Post by Michel on Oct 27, 2024 15:34:34 GMT
I've just seen a full unboxing video of the CD version. There are too many blank pages: five of the 28 being advertised are just plain pinky-red nothing. Galling! Yes, why have all these blank pages. They could have put more iconic pictures in the booklet instead.
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Post by Michel on Oct 27, 2024 15:48:55 GMT
Exactly. No one would put these posters on the wall, I guess. But I remember having that exact same image of Frida & Agnetha at Drottningholm as a big size poster around 1977/78 so it's nice to see it again.
The same goes for the sticker sheet. No one is going to use those stickers anywhere.
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Post by welshboy on Oct 27, 2024 17:57:41 GMT
Why would you buy something and it had not got one new song and not even a different mix, maybe when I was 15 and I would buy anything and everything on abba. I am a 58 year old man now, I spend my money on other things.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Oct 27, 2024 19:40:46 GMT
At present, it looks as though 'The Singles...' will be a very low Entry, in the UK Top 100.
The 'Clue' is that, The Official Charts Company, has mentioned no less than 23 New Entries, in the UK Albums Chart. The actual Top 100 Update, will not be shown until 5.45 pm, on Monday. But, they have mentioned 23 New Entries. ABBA are not mentioned at all.
This either means that they did not think ABBA worth mentioning, but they have Entered in the Top 30. Or - that ABBA have Entered so low, that The OCC see it all as a huge flop, and see no use in mentioning such a huge failure.
For those, who say that 'The Charts don't matter' - it is actually extremely embarrassing, for one of the Best Selling Groups in Chart History, to have any kind of flop, or tiny Hit. It does ABBA's image Zero favours. It would be far better, for 'The Singles', not to Chart at all, than for it to enter very low. It can fade away - fast - if it is a complete flop. It is better than it Peaking at No.56, or No.48, or something - for UK Chart Watchers to see that it has bombed. (If it flops completely, many Chart Watchers, will not know that it ever existed).
I may be wrong, and it may enter the Top 30 - we will see. But, even if it does, it will only Chart for 1 or 2 Weeks. It is not going to hang around for long. I recall the 'Live', (at Wembley), CD/LP, in 2014. It entered the UK Top 100 at No.30, and some Fans expected a big leap, in Week 2. Instead, it dropped from No.30, right out of the Top 100 - because even most Fans, were not keen, on a 'Live' ABBA Release. I certainly was not interested in it. It may as well have been a Led Zeppelin Album, for all I cared!
Universal know, by now, that they can get the same Fans to buy these things, over and over, just by putting out ABBA CD's with 4, (or more), different Covers, in 4, (or more), different Colours. It is sad, how many Fans fall for such gimmicks, when the Music never, ever gets anything New or Rare added. I became an ABBA Fan for the Music - not pretty Photos, that some Fans fawn over!!!
However, in this case, it looks like you can either buy it on CD or Vinyl, and that's the limit of your choice. So, 'The Singles', is another stupid mistake, by Universal. A mistake that does ABBA's reputation no good at all. It is embarrassing. They did not even give it a secent Cover!!! Many Fans hate it. Including me.
Benny and Bjorn seem not to care. The Fans are far more loyal to them, than they are to us. That is the truth. For some reason, the 'ABBA owe us nothing' Fans, never quite get that. But, it is 100% true. Apparently, Fans like me, are not ABBA Fans, at all. Some Fans think, that you either praise ABBA - non stop - or you are not a Fan. A very childish way to look at it, but I was never that fanatical, anyhow.
There is Zero excuse for Benny & Bjorn, to never let us have Alternate versions of the Hits. Nor for not letting us have any left over Songs from 'Voyage'. Instead, they'd rather let Universal, keep putting out ABBA Songs, that we all have many times over. It is not very nice to their Fans. But, we still see some Fans, excusing and defending it. Which is why being an ABBA Fan is so terribly dull and frustrating, these days...
Still - with every stupid Release, like 'The Singles', more and more Fans, realise that they are far more faithful to ABBA, than ABBA are to us. It is very amusing, that some Fans refuse to criticise ABBA at all - when there has long been so much to criticise...
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 27, 2024 20:17:00 GMT
Have to agree with all you've said Colin.... I also will not be buying.......I think I'd even pass the bargain bucket....
Not looking good is it......
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Post by johnny on Oct 27, 2024 20:23:14 GMT
If it is expected to not chart or chart very low then it's clear Streaming WON'T be used - otherwise it would get Gold's streaming stats plus its own meagre real sales.
I guess then Universal have kept faith with GOLD as the nominated album for GH streams.
I think it deserves to flop big time and not make the Top 100.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 27, 2024 20:32:17 GMT
Interested to know why Universal decided potentially not to add streams... considering everything.... I guess we will know tomorrow if streams have or have not been added...
Leave Gold alone, and let it increase its run....
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 27, 2024 20:43:58 GMT
[...] Universal know, by now, that they can get the same Fans to buy these things, over and over, just by putting out ABBA CD's with 4, (or more), different Covers, in 4, (or more), different Colours. It is sad, how many Fans fall for such gimmicks, when the Music never, ever gets anything New or Rare added. I became an ABBA Fan for the Music - not pretty Photos, that some Fans fawn over!!! However, in this case, it looks like you can either buy it on CD or Vinyl, and that's the limit of your choice. So, 'The Singles', is another stupid mistake, by Universal. A mistake that does ABBA's reputation no good at all. It is embarrassing. They did not even give it a secent Cover!!! Many Fans hate it. Including me. [...] One thing I find refreshing is that some of the more fawning accounts across social media have turned on this release. Increasing numbers of fans claim not to be buying it. And that kind of backlash is kind of unexpected in ABBAworld, I think. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that a picture disc edition is probably waiting in the wings, ready to milk the fans/boost the album's fortunes [delete as appropriate]. If, as rumour suggests, more interesting tracklists were rejected by ABBA (or, let's be honest, Benny), then Universal should have had the integrity to say "let's not jeopardise Gold's position, let's just shelve this idea." From title to cover to tracklist, this release has "lame duck" written all over it.
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Post by johnny on Oct 27, 2024 20:44:12 GMT
As a guide to sales, here's some chart positions for this week's album chart
10 6162 #22 4,915 #43 3 011 #52 2,653 #112 1,711
Paul Heaton plummets from #2 to 125 in the chart. His album though is #13 on Sales Chart - with just 1500 sales. GOLD is near bottom in Album Sales Top 100.
#125 #1,562 #13 in Sales Chart
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Post by welshboy on Oct 27, 2024 21:19:24 GMT
If the Compilation had something new then so be it. I would have got it on the day it came out. I don't have Gold for the same thing. In the past 40 years the only abba records that I buy is if it has something different or new on it.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 28, 2024 9:52:41 GMT
I've just seen a full unboxing video of the CD version. There are too many blank pages: five of the 28 being advertised are just plain pinky-red nothing. Galling! Yes, why have all these blank pages. They could have put more iconic pictures in the booklet instead. Were these pages supposed to hold lyrics for Hit By A Train and My Story Ends With You? Seriously why would anybody design it like that? I would at least have enlarged the pictures instead of having five blank pages (in red!)
I also don't like there are literally only pictures until 1978.
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Post by matt on Oct 28, 2024 11:11:42 GMT
Where did the title My Story Ends With You originate from? We know Little Boots heard Hit By A Train and it's mentioned in CMP's book, however I've only ever heard this song title mentioned on fan forums.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Oct 28, 2024 15:34:06 GMT
Yes, it's not official, it circulates. Good point if one can make out the source?
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 28, 2024 17:01:52 GMT
First midweeks prediction from Official charts (UK) predicting is a top 20... 13.. so streams must've been added ... probably a fair bit lower by Friday.....
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Post by johnny on Oct 28, 2024 17:31:20 GMT
Two scenarios 1.Yep, as I predicted Streams used. GOLD'S streams and its own very modest sales. As Foreverfan says probably a bit lower by Friday. GOLD is selling about 5000 a week. Almost all of that 4500 would be streams. We're probably talking just 1000 or so actual sales for The Singles - which would not have been enough for a Top 100 placing without streams. 2. It had done much better in sales than expected. We have to see GOLD'S position to see if Streams used 2 www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/courteeners-pink-cactus-cafe-number-1-albums-update/
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Post by johnny on Oct 28, 2024 17:48:28 GMT
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 28, 2024 18:40:08 GMT
Just hope it's not a permanent move of streams....
Even though we love Abba it does show how manipulated the charts are these days......
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Oct 28, 2024 18:45:02 GMT
1).. So, 'The Singles' is at No.13 in the UK's Monday Mid Week's. For Sales on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. If it can retain that Position, in Friday's Full Week Chart, it will Sell about 5,700 copies, in Week 1. (Going by how many copies last Week's No.13 Album sold. Of course, the No.13 Album does not Sell the same each Week. I know that).
2).. If it does become a No.13 Album, it will equal the Peak of 'ABBA' in 1976.
3).. So, it is doing better than I expected. However, it is almost certain that it will not climb any higher, as the Week progresses. We will see, but it is doubtful. But, I'm not any kind of 'Chart Expert', and I've been wrong before, as I am keen to admit. i'm not Psychic, and I'd have long since Won The National Lottery, if I was!
4).. What is interesting, is that Universal seem to have told The Official Charts Company, to direct the Streams of ABBA's Hits to 'The Singles' - and not to carry on giving them to 'ABBA Gold'. So, 'Gold' has fallen from No.23, right out of the Top 100! There is now no trace of 'ABBA Gold' in the UK Album Chart. A situation that will only last while 'The Singles' is still in the Top 100. It will only be a few Weeks, until the Streams return to 'Gold', and that Album will Chart again. Of course it will. 'The Singles' will only Chart for a few Weeks.
5).. In the meantime, we will see how far 'The Singles' will fall in Next Week's UK Top 100. I can't see it stabilising, in the Top 20. In 1976, 'ABBA' held at No.13 for 2 Weeks, but it is very unlikely that 'The Singles' can do that. Many Albums make big falls, in Week 2, these Days. Last Week Kylie Minogue had her 10th UK No.1 Album, with 'Tension II', but it has collapsed in Week 2, and it has dropped from No.1 to No.37, in the Monday Mid Week Chart...
6).. Here is what 2 UK 'Chart Fans' have said, (Tonight), about the ABBA situation.
Fan A -- I'm no expert on how streams are allocated to GH albums when an artist has multiple, will they be redirected to Gold next week if its pure sales outstrip the new compilation? Or is it up to the label to redirect them everytime they wish?
Fan B -- Redirected to Gold, it's based on the compilation with the highest pure sales each week (unless otherwise nominated by label I guess).
7).. I know that some of my Posts here are 'Controversial' to some Fans. Perhaps even making some Fans rather angry, and annoyed at me. I just speak my Mind, and try to be honest. I don't read any Posts, that follow my 'Controversial' ones. The Days are long gone, when I get into quarrels, with other ABBA Fans. It is pointless, to go too and thro, arguing with other Fans. I say what I want to say, and then I walk away. I call it, 'Closing The Door'. It stops me getting tempted to Reply to any Fans, who dislike what I say. I want Peace in my Life, as I have enough grief in my everyday exiistence. So, I never, ever read any Replies to my Posts. It saves me much turmoil...
8).. I'm truly not a horrible Person. I try hard to be kind in 'Real Life'. No matter what some ABBA Fans may think of me. I know that I'm not liked by some People. None of us can be liked by everyone, and I don't expect to be. I am sorry, if some of my Posts upset some ABBA Fans, but I must say what I think. It is the honest thing to do...
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Post by Alan on Oct 28, 2024 19:00:16 GMT
onlyabba4meagain, I know that, based on what you’ve said above, you won’t read this post, but you don’t need to apologise for anything. Not sure how your posts can make some people angry. I know there was one on here last year but I don’t think they’ve posted since and, as I’ve said before, I think they were taking out something on you that they should have perhaps directed somewhere else. So, it seems this album will get an unjustified and undeserved high-ish chart placing. I have to say, it does seem to make the charts even less relevant than I already thought they were!
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Post by johnny on Oct 28, 2024 19:04:09 GMT
Universal might not have actively assigned The Singles as the nominated GH album
But as Colin says in that quote it's down to pure sales (not just physical but download too)
I expect in Pure Sales, GOLD sells 400-500 hundred a week and The Singles maybe 1000 this week.
There is indeed a very strong chance GOLD will outsell it next week. Certainly by week 3. So streams will revert to GOLD - unless Universal nominate The Singles as its GH choice.
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Post by gazman on Oct 28, 2024 21:14:23 GMT
After reading the Official Chart rules, it looks like the record company can specify the 'Greatest Hits' package they want the song streams to count to - but if they don't specify, they 'default' to the package with the strongest sales. So, it's really anyone's guess, but my personal thought is that we'll see 'The Singles' in the Top 40 for a few months while the streams are allocated to it.
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Post by johnny on Oct 28, 2024 21:20:52 GMT
If that happens GOLD will lose its status as longest running album in UK CHART history.
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Post by HOMETIME on Oct 28, 2024 21:31:13 GMT
Colin's post is very interesting. The way this album has been "managed" looks a little like chart rigging. Am I wildly wide of the mark there?
I know I posted an unboxing video already, but I've just seen this more comprehensive one by Super Deluxe Edition, covering the vinyl and CD editions. It covers a lot of what we've said here, but makes one additional and (IMO) important point: for about £10 more, you could get the albums box set and get virtually everything.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 28, 2024 21:41:20 GMT
Depending on what figures you look at, there's about 16 weeks between Gold ( 1173 weeks ) and the next highest , Legend by Bob Marley, (1157weeks ). so approx 4 months.... regarding Gold longevity on the charts it's all surmising of course , but it could all be over in a couple of weeks or 50 could be around for awhile
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Post by baab on Oct 28, 2024 23:19:49 GMT
Well, this neverending stay of ABBA Gold in the Charts is a UK - only special situation. Outside the UK no one cares if this chain breaks eventually. ABBA Gold will always stay a monster of a GH compilation. With legacy acts in the streaming world, the record companies can only try to keep them in the eyes of the public with releases like this one, however,they surely could do it with more love to detail. ABBA are not an active act anymore since 40 years with the exception of one comeback album. Independent of fans believing they owe something to someone or not they are all between 75 and 78 years old - I personaly plan to go on pension with 64 years, so how on earth can I demand from Others to work forever and on and on (Yes! Because working with the old ABBA tracks or finalising this song or that recording, etc. IS WORK!), while I surely will tell the business world Hasta La Vista Baby! when I'm 64?!
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Post by johnny on Oct 29, 2024 0:06:04 GMT
Baab, I take your point about the longevity of GOLD in the UK charts is not of an interest outside the UK...but maybe that's because it's only the UK where GOLD is currently the longest stayer in the album charts?
There was no need for the pointless release of The Singles. It won't get much sales, and in the age of streaming it's all about the song...and in some countries, GH albums are counted for streaming in the charts.
I agree with you about fans who think ABBA owe us. They don't.
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Post by Alan on Oct 29, 2024 7:00:33 GMT
I’m unclear on how this streaming lark works. I have the free version of Spotify but never use it (if I’m going to listen to something not on my phone I’ll go to YouTube) but I’ve just gone into it and searched on ABBA. The Singles 50 is at the top, as a new release. There appear to be two versions of Gold (black cover and gold one) but they’re right at the bottom. If I was to select either version of Gold, those streams would still count to The Singles 50? Or tracks from any studio album that are also on The Singles 50? On second thoughts I’m not sure I want to understand it. I used to think that, while the “singles” chart was no longer relevant, that the album one somehow was. But as albums can go in quite high and then sink without trace, and their popularity enhanced/manipulated by “nominated albums”, I think I’d rather think of the album charts as ending once streams were allowed in, which is how I’ve thought of the singles chart for years. Though at least Voyage would still have been number one without streams (but even then its sales were enhanced by it being issued in about 24 different variants). I’d therefore have to agree with baab that the Gold long stay thing is a UK issue, and even then only to those that still put any importance into the charts. I imagine so few do these days.
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 29, 2024 7:49:24 GMT
Alas I agree with you Alan, the charts are so massively manipulated, they have become virtually irrelevant, that said, if as said, apart from Voyage, Gold and Abba would have disappeared from the charts years ago, and only guessing the Agnetha albums would've struggled to even chart.
Of course this only works if your interested in charts, which as you know I have, but not to a huge degree, I couldn't tell you what album was number 1 , 3 weeks ago for instance with out looking, but as the charts are as they are, I still like to see where Abba ( Gold ) are, and for me and a few others Its of interest to see that Abba are still number one in the longevity charts, let's be honest out side of our own countries, we don't take much if any interest, so from approx 13th August 2017 , every single week Abba has had a presence on the UK charts... Down to the individual on how much relevanance that is.. personally it will be a sad day when Abba disappear from the UK charts altogether....
Otherwise I agree , they owe us nothing, it's normal to want more , but to accept that's it....nothing lasts forever...
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