|
|
Post by clumsylikeaclown on Jan 5, 2024 22:24:16 GMT
It blows my mind that in the year 2024 ABBA Gold can still reach the top 5 and not even coinciding with the date of the 50th anniversary of their Eurovision victory. You'd have thought by now anyone that would want to buy the album has it three times over already!
|
|
|
|
Post by gary on Jan 5, 2024 22:30:23 GMT
I’m not surprised that One Of Us sold half a million. It spent three weeks at number three over the Christmas period. But there again it’s a big favourite of mine. ;-)
How accurate are the figures though? Would a number 25 hit (not at Christmas) really have sold 132k?
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Jan 5, 2024 23:11:27 GMT
Yes HOH on 132k did rather surprise me. I would have estimated the 3 1982 hits at around 50k.
But perhaps the chart difference of say a #10 and a #25 might not actually be that great.
|
|
|
|
Post by Alan on Jan 6, 2024 1:10:20 GMT
It blows my mind that in the year 2024 ABBA Gold can still reach the top 5 and not even coinciding with the date of the 50th anniversary of their Eurovision victory. You'd have thought by now anyone that would want to buy the album has it three times over already! Which is the reason that a new compilation really should be unthinkable. No record company (and certainly not Universal, the biggest of all) should even contemplate trying to unleash a new ABBA greatest hits on us. It’s not going to work and would just embarrass every party involved. As with Queen’s first Greatest Hits*, there should be no attempt at trying to better it, even if there are previously unreleased tracks (or the main two singles from Voyage) to add. *There was a new compilation covering Queen’s entire career in 2010 called Absolute Greatest. It was quickly forgotten, partly because it came towards the end of the group’s contract with EMI, before they took their entire catalogue to Universal the following year. As with ABBA Gold, it’s the first Queen Greatest Hits from 1981 that continues to reign supreme. |
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Jan 6, 2024 9:44:29 GMT
Any new Definitive Collection type album would undoubtedly affect Gold's chart run - only one Best Of is allowed for Streaming.
It would likely be just a few weeks and Gold could be nominated as the Best Of for Streaming purposes.
I feel though the two new songs (we're almost all assuming they will be released) should be on a revamped More Gold - along with the first two Voyage singles.
I'd happily discard I am the City, The Way Old Do, I Wonder (Departure) and a B side Lovelight or Cassandra.
A revamped Gold (or indeed an Anthology as some want) would not affects Gold's very impressive statistics.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Jan 6, 2024 10:46:09 GMT
GOLD is the 10th best seller of 2023 but does not make Year End Top 40 for CD Sales - most "sales" are streaming.
By contrast, Take That's album is top selling CD of 2023 but only #37 on Official Year End Chart.
Their CD sales of 127,000 are well short of Voyage's 321,000 CD sales just 2 years ago. Voyage "pure sales" were 387,000 - CD, Vinyl, Cassette, Download. Add streaming equivalent and you get 400k for 2021.
|
|
|
|
Post by foreverfan on Jan 9, 2024 10:23:15 GMT
I think we forgot to mention in top 5000 for 1980s
I Know Him So Well with sales of 756,190
the 31st best selling track of the 80s still a fair way from previous projections of around 900,000
But that may well have achieved that by now.
Plus I still believe that it’s still the best selling track by a female duo with n the UK…
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Jan 12, 2024 17:47:40 GMT
GOLD dips slighly from 4 to 6.
|
|
|
|
Post by onlyabba4meagain on Feb 2, 2024 19:47:46 GMT
In the UK Album Chart of W/E 8th July 2021 'ABBA Gold' became the 1st Album
to manage 1000 Top 100 Weeks.
Now, (W/E 8th February), it becomes the 1st Album to reach 500 Top 40 Weeks.
THE TOP 10 UK ARTIST ALBUMS WITH THE MOST TOP 40 WEEKS
(From: W/E 28th July 1956 to W/E 8th February 2024)
01)… ABBA GOLD -- ABBA -- (1992) -- (No.1 – 8) -- 500 Weeks
02)… GREATEST HITS (ONE) -- QUEEN -- (1981) -- (No.1 – 4) -- 407 Weeks
03)… RUMOURS -- FLEETWOOD MAC -- (1977) -- (No.1 – 1) -- 402 Weeks
04)… ÷ (DIVIDE) -- ED SHEERAN -- (2017) -- (No.1 – 20) -- 347 Weeks
05)… CURTAIN CALL – THE HITS -- EMINEM -- (2005) -- (No.1 – 5) -- 333 Weeks
06)= LEGEND -- BOB MARLEY & THE WAILERS -- (1984) -- (No.1 – 12) -- 312 Weeks
06)= TIME FLIES (1994 – 2009) -- OASIS -- (2010) -- (No.1 – 1) -- 312 Weeks
08)… BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER -- SIMON & GARFUNKEL -- (1970) -- (No.1 –33) -- 279 Weeks
09)… DIAMONDS -- ELTON JOHN -- (2017) -- (Peak - No.2) -- 277 Weeks
10)… 50 YEARS : DON’T STOP -- FLEETWOOD MAC -- (2018) -- (Peak – No.5) -- 264 Weeks
NOTE -- Fleetwood Mac's 'Rumours' has been in and out of the Chart for Decades.
It only managed 1 Week at No.1, but it was knocked off the Top by 'The Album' by
ABBA on W/E 4th February 1978! 'Rumours' is now the UK's 6th or 7th Best Selling
Album of 'All Time' with over 4,500,000 Sales and 15 Platinum Disks. (15 x 300,000).
|
|
|
|
Post by foreverfan on Feb 3, 2024 13:10:18 GMT
Thank you Colin, it's amazing that Gold is still breaking records, it's hard to see what Universal can do to make the public buy any other compilation......
Gold is at 12 in this weeks UK album charts after spending 5 consecutive weeks in the top 10 , peaking at 4 selling on average around 5,500 a week, even at 12, so pretty consistent which is approx a 1000 a week more than last year...it has to be partly due to the Voyage effect.
Streaming is pretty good DQ daily streams approx 1 million , GGG , around 500.000, approx equating when all other tracks are added in to around 5 million streams a day for Abba.
No wonder Gold rides so high.....
|
|
|
|
Post by HOMETIME on Feb 3, 2024 18:07:32 GMT
Thank you Colin, it's amazing that Gold is still breaking records, it's hard to see what Universal can do to make the public buy any other compilation...... Absolutely. Another compilation would need to come from a completely different angle and most definitely not designed as a replacement for Gold. That's why so many of us seem to be hoping that this year might bring something interesting on that front. And, from my perspective, only an anthology could properly satisfy. |
|
|
|
Post by gary on Feb 3, 2024 20:16:42 GMT
Thanks Colin. Any updates on the total sales of ABBA Gold and Queen’s Greatest Hits? Gold has outsold the Queen album for many months (years?) now, so it must be catching up. (This is particularly true if one considers the true sales of the Queen album instead of the inflated figures used by the chart company.)
|
|
|
|
Post by onlyabba4meagain on Apr 10, 2024 18:01:25 GMT
ABBA in Wednesday's UK Mid Week Chart, (10th April). As in Monday's Mid Week Chart,
ABBA have not climbed in Wednesdays Chart. This means that - so far - none of the huge ABBA
Promotion has had any effect on ABBA's UK Sales. Which is very odd, as at the start of 2024,
'ABBA Gold' rose to No.4, in th UK, with no ABBA Promotion at all.
Gary -- 'ABBA Gold' is on aproximately 6,400,000 UK Sales -- to W/E 11th April 2024.
It needs 200.000 more to earn a 22nd UK Platinum Award. 22 x 300,000 = 6,600,000.
It will never catch up to 'Greatest Hits' by Queen. That got a 24th UK Platinum
Award in June 2023. 24 x 300,000 = 7,200,000. It is over 7,300,000 by now.
To the W/E 11th April 'ABBA Gold' is the 9th UK Best Selling Album of 2024, with
around 73,000 Sales. The 1st Queen 'Greatest Hits' Album is in 20th place, with
about 56,000 Sales.
'ABBA Gold' will never, ever over-take the UK Sales of the Queen Album. Both
Albums are in the UK Top 30 every single Week. Queen are too far in front for
'ABBA Gold' to match its UK Sales.
Globally, ABBA are in front, with 'Gold' on about 32 Million, and Queen on about 29 Million.
|
|
|
|
Post by madonnabba on Apr 10, 2024 23:42:15 GMT
Remember Queen Greatest Hits existed when vinyl was selling before cds existed. It sold about a million or more in vinyl. This will be included in this figure of over 7million. No doubt a lot of people then replaced the vinyl with cd over time. ABBA Gold did not have this advantage as it did not exist until 1992 when cd had reolaced vinyl ...QGH existed in 1981.
|
|
|
|
Post by onlyabba4meagain on Apr 11, 2024 7:40:54 GMT
Madonnabba -- Another advantage that the Queen Alum has over 'ABBA Gold',
is what happened in 2006.
In 2006, the Official UK Charts Company got several 'Chart Experts' to compile
the UK's 'All Time Top 100 Best Selling Albums'. It was agreed that the first 'Hits'
Album, by Queen, (and the 2nd), could have 626,000 'Extra' Tracks added in from
2 other Queen Compilations. Both 'Greatest Hits', (One), and 'Greatest Hits II', got
560,000 Sales added in from the Triple CD, 'Platinum Collection', (2000), and also
66,000 added in, from the 1994 Double CD of 'Greatest Hits' and 'Greatest Hits II'.
So, they each got 626,000 'Enhanced Sales'. Without them, 'Greatest Hits', by Queen,
would be on 6,674,000 UK Sales, and not 7,300,000. Which is around 274,000 ahead
of 'ABBA Gold' and not 900,000. It would still be the UK's 'All Time Best Selling Album',
though.
Without the 626,000 'Enhanced Sales, 'Greatest Hits II' would drop from 3,990,000 UK
Sales, to 3,364,000. It would fall from being the UK's 10th Best Selling Album to being
the UK's 14th Best Selling Album.
So, really, 'Greatest Hits', (One), by Queen is no-where near 900,000 UK Sales in front
of 'ABBA Gold'. It is really less than 300,000. However, the 626,000 'Enhanced' Sales,
that were added to 'Greatest Hits', (One), and ''Greatest Hits II', in 2006, will never
ever be removed. I've been assured of that.
We also have to remember that, 'Greatest Hits' by Queen, came out in 1981, 'ABBA Gold'
came out in 1992. So, it had 11 Years of UK Sales, more than 'Gold'. As well as Queen
Fans replacing the Vinyl Version with the CD Version...
|
|
|
|
Post by foreverfan on Apr 11, 2024 9:03:08 GMT
Perhaps Colin can clear up the UK midweek charts issue, published on a Monday, does it only include Friday and Saturday sales ?
As mentioned before It won't appear to make any difference to chart placing for those that are interested, none of the Waterloo reissues will make the official charts, only the lesser vinyl charts....
New fact... IHave A Dream becomes the 18th track to break 100,000,000 streams on Spotify.......
Perhaps for another thread... the no up turn in sales etc is down to to much of ABBA on media.. over kill... has it backfired in that respect ?
|
|
|
|
Post by onlyabba4meagain on Apr 11, 2024 9:24:44 GMT
Graham -- No - The UK's Monday Mid Week Charts include Sales for Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
There are no Mid Weeks on a Tuesday, or a Thursday. The Wednesday Mid Weeks include Sales for Friday,
Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. (Then the Full Week's Charts come out, at 6.45pm, on a Friday,
for Sales from the previous Friday, to Thursday).
This Week, ABBA made Zero UK Chart improvements in either the Monday, or Wednesday Mid Weeks.
All of the huge publicity, this Week, has not caused the UK to buy more ABBA Records.
However, I did check, after Saturday's ABBA Night. On UK iTunes, ABBA were at No.3 with 'Gold',
No.4 with the 40th Anniversary 'Gold', and No.7 with 'Voyage'. Plus, they had 5 other Albums in
the iTunes Top 100 - with 'Voulez Vous' being their 4th highest, at No.37. 'The Album' was not in
the iTunes Top 100, at all. Maybe because it has less 'Bonus' Songs than any other ABBA Album.
Saturday's ABBA Night also had an impact on Amazon.uk, with 'Voyage' re-entering their Top 100
at No.2. Plus, various other ABBA Albums also re-entering their Top 100.
Despite this, there has been no impact - at all - on the Mid Week Charts, by the Official Charts Company.
|
|
|
|
Post by foreverfan on Apr 11, 2024 9:56:13 GMT
Thank you Colin..
That's cleared that up, don't know why I thought, but hey.....
I believe the I tunes chart has very little relevance these days, again I may be wrong...
Like you said though, strange that after all we e had on TV and radio , that there has been no impact... lack of anything new ? Imagine that if we had...I do think it's overkill, to much to soon......, Eurovision only hope left ? Will we get anything later......
|
|
|
|
Post by onlyabba4meagain on Apr 11, 2024 10:56:19 GMT
Graham -- Yes, iTunes, (Download), Sales have collapsed, which is why 'I Still Have Faith In You',
and 'Don't Shut Me Down', were No.1 and No.2 in many Countries iTunes Charts, but were unable
to do anywhere near as well in most Countries Main Singles Charts - where Streaming now Rules..
If ABBA had returned in 2008, instead of 2021, they'd have been No.1 in many Singles Charts, as
there would have been no Streaming to fight against. Just pure Sales - Physical and Downloads.
'Modern' Acts, can get Millions upon Millions of Streams, for New Singles. 'Old' Acts struggle to get
anywhere near as many. That is why 'Padam Padam', (No.8 - 2023), by Kylie Minogue, and ABBA's
'Don't Shut Me Down', (No.9 - 2021), are the only 2 Singles by 'Old' Acts, (on their own), to reach
the UK Top 10 in Years.
Otherwise, only a few 'Old' Artists can reach the Singles Top 10 now. They get the Millions of Streams
needed, by simply Recording with New Acts. Elton John is an expert at it, having had No.1 UK Hits, with
Dua Lipa, Ed Sheeran and Ladbaby, in recent Years. Plus a No.3 HIt with Britney Spears, who is not
technically 'Modern', but she started having Hits later than most 'Old' Acts - 1999. (Elton is planning on
doing more Duets with 'Modern' Acts. It is the only way that he can have Top 10 Singles now).
Plus - The only other 'Old' Acts, that can have UK Top 10 Hits, are those whose 'Old' Christmas Songs
make the Top 10, every November and December - Wham!, Mariah Carey, The Pogues etc.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Apr 11, 2024 11:12:16 GMT
Colin, the estimate for GOLD since the Official Charts Company took over is 5,726,000 in February 1994. Or rather since Gallup lost its contract (the actual compilation by Millward Brown) The OCC (then CIN) in July 1990 had responsibility for the charts though still compiled by Gallup. Would they have the weekly sales figures for that July 1990 to end January 1994 period? This might make things clearer www.officialcharts.com/who-we-are/nineties/Also, isn't it the case the charts did noy include music club sales - which were pretty massive in the early 90s. Finally, if it sold 5.7m since early 2004 and sales now 6.4m, that is 700k for the release of Gold in Sep 1992 to February 1994. However, it was certified triple platinum for 900k in the summer of 1993. I know these were for shipments but could thry have included music club sales and Gold's sales are more than 6.4 million Cheers in advance. |
|
|
|
Post by gary on Apr 11, 2024 17:21:54 GMT
Thanks for the information, Colin.
I know my opinion is irrelevant, but those enhanced sales for the Queen album really aren’t legitimate, are they? So ABBA are only 274,000 behind Queen. Presumably it is just about possible that they could catch up by that measure.
|
|
|
|
Post by onlyabba4meagain on Apr 11, 2024 18:59:52 GMT
Johnny -- Yes, as far as I have been told, UK Music Club Sales were not added into UK Album
Sales. This includes 'ABBA Gold' and 'Greatest Hits', by Queen. It was the same in the USA. 'Gold'
sold 884,000 via the BMG Mail Order Club by early 2005. They were never added into its USA Total.
Gary -- As 'Greatest Hits', (One), by Queen will never, ever, have its 'Enhanced', (Bonus!), 2006
Sales removed, in the UK, it can never be outold by 'ABBA Gold'. It just will not happen. The Guy,
at the Official Charts, who organised the 2006 'Top 100 Best Selling Albums', is called Darren. He
agreed to let Queen have the 'Enhanced' Sales. (The Chart 'Experts', who compiled the 2006, 'All
Time Top 100', put the idea to him, and he simply agreed to it. It meant that no other Act, in the
'All Time Top 100 Albums', had Sales added in from other Albums. Only Queen).
Darren and I are Friends. He left The Official Charts Company in 2007. He now lives in Dubai. He
assures me that Queen only got 'Enhanced' Sales, until the end of 2006. It has not carried
on. But, The OCC do not intend - ever - on removing the added 626,000 Sales, that 'Greatest Hits',
(One), and 'Greatest Hits II', were given, in 2006. They see that 'Fact' as set in concrete.
'Greatest Hits III', (1999), was also given 560,000 Sales from 'The Platinum Collection'. It did not
get 66,000 'Enhanced' Sales from the 1994 Double Queen CD, as it was not included in that Release.
So, three Queen 'Hits' Albums got 560,000 'Bonus' UK Sales from 'The Platinum Collection' -
'Hits 1', 'Hits 2', and 'Hits 3'. With 'Greatest Hits', (One), and 'Greatest Hits II', also getting
66,000 'Enhanced' Sales from the 'Greatest Hits 1' and 'Greatest Hits II' Double CD, from 1994...
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Apr 11, 2024 20:14:54 GMT
Colin/OnlyAbba4meagain
In the USA, Music Club sales are included in certifications. They are not included in chart sales from Soundscan (or whatever they are called these days)
Perhaps, in the UK, Gold's certification should already be at least platinum x22 ie 6.6 million to account for music club sales. But now sales from the OCC and BPI certifications are linked.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Apr 12, 2024 16:54:31 GMT
UK Vinyl Chart (Singles)
Waterloo - #1
Honey Honey #2
UK Vinyl Chart (Albums)
Waterloo #16
UK Sales (Albums)
GOLD #30
Waterloo #44 Gold
#47 Voyage
Official Chart (Albums)
GOLD # 12 (DOWN from 11)
No upsurge in sales. Vinyl Singles sales are low.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Apr 12, 2024 17:31:03 GMT
UK Vinyl Singles Chart
2016
Fernando #2
Dancing Queen #3
Money Money Money #4
Knowing Me Knowing You #5
2017
Eagle #2
The Name of the Game #3
Take a Chance on Me#4
2018
Summer Night City #6
HAPPY NEW YEAR #1
2019
VOULEZ VOUS #1
Gimme Gimme Gimme #4
I Have a Dream #5
Chiquitita #7
Does Your Mother Know #8
2020
LAY ALL YOUR LOVE ON ME #1
Super Trouper #2
The Winner Takes it All #3
2021
I STILL HAVE FAITH IN YOU #1
2023
RING RING #1
He is Your Brother #2
People Need Love #3
Love Isn't Easy #4
The Day Before You Came #6
One of Us #7
Under Attack #8
Head Over Heels #9
2024
WATERLOO #1
Honey Honey #2
Waterloo the only song to be UK #1 back in the day and in the Vinyl Chart.
|
|
|
|
Post by foreverfan on Apr 12, 2024 17:42:37 GMT
6 number 1s.. not bad ....
I know very low sales , but any idea ... I'd guess 100s
|
|
|
|
Post by johnny on Apr 12, 2024 17:50:49 GMT
Yep, I'd imagine fromlow hundreds for a week at #1. Maybe high hundreds or even going up to over a 1000.
I know ISHFIY sold 2,800 in 2021 for its entire chart run that year. As it was new I'd expect its sales higher than old songs...but I could be wrong!
UPDATE : Singles Sales Chart
Waterloo # 4
Honey Honey #26
So perhaps Waterloo, 1000+ and HH in low hundreds...
|
|
|
|
Post by foreverfan on Apr 12, 2024 18:32:39 GMT
After all the media promotion this week Gold actually drops to 12 on sales of approx 6000 ( give or take around 500 ) which admittedly is higher than the usual average of around 5000, so not a big upturn, and nothing else charts in either album or singles official charts here in the U.K.
Shame...
|
|
|
|
Post by Alan on Apr 12, 2024 18:47:23 GMT
johnny, Summer Night City got two different releases. The first in 2018 as a Record Store Day exclusive, and the second in 2019 as part of the reissue series in standard artwork picture disc. I’m assuming the charts company combined the two, as in your list it’s only shown in 2018? I’m assuming the chart placing shown is really for the 2019 issue, as the 2018 RSD version was much less widely available. Also, I’m assuming the two issues of Voulez-Vous (standard and extended, the latter with If It Wasn’t For The Nights as the b-side) were similarly combined? I notice the chart positions for The Visitors singles are lower than the others… guessing their December release meant there was more competition. And Waterloo’s position must be a combination of the English and Swedish versions (again, different b-sides).
|
|
|
|
Post by HOMETIME on Apr 12, 2024 18:56:31 GMT
I wasn't expecting to see ten ABBA singles on the physical chart. Pretty cool - albeit for small numbers of units. The appearance of Waterloo and Voyage on the physical album chart, alongside Gold, is nice too.
|
|
