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Post by Alan on Feb 25, 2017 11:22:13 GMT
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Post by Michal on Feb 25, 2017 17:27:49 GMT
I received this message too and for a moment I was reaaly tempted to go to London and attend the event. But it would be quite an expensive trip so if the two vocalists mentioned are not the ones from Sweden :-), I will not be there. Hopefully someone can tell us about it later. I just wonder if there will be something completely unknown to hear... I mean, besides the ABBA Undeleted tracks and demos/early versions such as In The Arms Of Rosalita, Monsieur Monsieur or Another Morning Without You are there any unreleased tracks that we've never heard of before?
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Post by abbafan456 on Feb 26, 2017 0:54:45 GMT
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Post by Alan on Feb 26, 2017 1:38:42 GMT
Nope, apparently mobile devices and other recording equipment are banned.
Is it just me or is this Bjorn and Benny trolling the fans? Fans are apparently not worthy of hearing the ABBA versions but we'll let one person hear them and write about them to tell all the others in a very expensive book, and to top it all off, we'll let them be performed live to a few more fans but leave them to imagine how the ABBA versions sound.
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Post by abbafan456 on Feb 26, 2017 4:08:24 GMT
Well that's a shame.  |
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Post by josef on Feb 26, 2017 12:15:33 GMT
Disappointing. All this teasing is just not on. Either release the demos or shut up about it. It's not as if they need any money. It's so mean to do things like this when the majority of fans won't get to see/hear it. I'll always love the music and be a fan but I can't deny that this kind of elitist thing leaves a horrible taste in my mouth. Yes, lovely idea in theory but for the many, many fans who won't get to see this, it's just grim. And not even a chance of a YouTube upload because of the ban on photography, mobiles..whatever? Maybe they're officially recording it or something then releasing it in the future which will redeem them. But this just feels yuk right now. Sorry, just being honest.
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 26, 2017 16:15:28 GMT
^^^^ have to agree ..again..  it has the potential to upset a load of die hard fans... It's bad enough just " knowing" there is material, probably even complete tracks , that " we " will never hear, that in itself is ok, but to tease, is a big no no, personally I'd rather not know. The book will be bad enough, to know that " one " fan or whatever you like to call him, will have had the pleasure to hear snippets/ tracks, how can you really describe an " unknown" track! not wanting to come across as a hypocrite, a very good friend of mine has ordered the book, so hopefully I'll get to read some of the info, but it will I guess be bittersweet. Now all of that said, at this moment in time, I'm guessing here! Not one of us mortals know what's to come and what will be heard, so I will for the time being remain realistic. However if that's a taste of what's to come, I could end up being pessimistic..  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 16:30:56 GMT
I wasn't going to comment on this issue. However, I see that I'm not the only ABBA Fan
who thinks that it is all very sad.
It really does seem like Benny & Bjorn are playing 'teasing' games with us.
When you think how other Acts let their Fans have virtually everything, (Beatles, Rolling Stones,
Fleetwood Mac etc), it makes ABBA look like they don't care about their Fans, as much as their
Fans care about them.
I find this 'Event Demos' idea to be utterly silly & ridiculous. It will only upset the majority
of ABBA Fans, who cannot attend.
It is obvious from this Thread, that it is not a very sensible - or fair - idea.....
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Post by lovepigeon on Feb 26, 2017 21:32:43 GMT
I think it's a clever and cute way of getting around the fact that B&B don't want to release the actual recordings. I booked my place at this event months ago, and this new development has got me even more excited about it. I absolutely can't wait.
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Post by gary on Feb 26, 2017 22:06:01 GMT
Have to agree with josef, foreverfan, onlyabba4me.
But surely in these modern times some dedicated fan could have a tiny recording device planted under their skin? 😀
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 26, 2017 22:10:46 GMT
I truly mean no disrespect Lovepigeon ... but isn't " this" just the point and the angst it will cause.
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Post by lovepigeon on Feb 27, 2017 7:56:49 GMT
Oh, I never thought anyone was being disrespectful. It's just that 'this' has been the case for a long time and will continue to be for a long time to come. I know that causes 'angst' for some fans, but I don't see how this event is going to exacerbate that. It's already sold out twice so not everyone thinks it's such an awful idea. I mean, surely there's someone on here who is either going or would like to go?
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 27, 2017 8:55:58 GMT
I think, lots of people would like to go, in fact most of us I guess, but it's not the point really, the book is very expensive, even for most die hard fans, the " event" even though it may be sold out is very limited, and London centric, so vast majority would not be able to attend. That all said , we know ABBA is now a business, and it IS about making money, hence the forthcoming show, this being a very good prelude to that, whether by accident or design. However it's the huge disappointment that does not allow the vast majority of fans to participate, as said in previous comment, I do hope that something may come out of this, and the initial event is to get " us " excited, one way or the other, it has certainly got us talking. so although perhaps not the best way of doing things, and very underhanded, I still have that 10% of optimism, that thinks we just might get something out of this, that 10% though is diminishing... secret spy to the event with recorder... just might appease.. |
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Post by Michal on Feb 27, 2017 9:01:53 GMT
I really don't understand all this bitterness. For me it's not such a big deal, it's not ABBA reuniting :-) If it wasn't such a long trip, I would go but I will certainly not break down in tears that I can't. Actually I think that what C. M. Palm is doing is great. Of course I am a bit envious that he gets to hear all those early mixes and unreleased stuff but remember that otherwise we wouldn't have got the Thank You For The Music box set back in 1994. I don't expect a Vol.2 this time, on the other hand, it's good that someone maps the vaults, just in case :-) And to have such a detailed report about ABBA's recordings both released and unreleased is something we should be grateful for. I loved reading the original book and I'm looking forward to the updated version very much!
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Post by lovepigeon on Feb 27, 2017 14:39:01 GMT
It feels a little bit like you're looking for holes to pick.
You can hardly call it 'London-centric' just because it happens to be in London. It's like saying the fan club weekend is too Roosendaal-centric. Like Michal, it's up to the individual how far they're willing to travel for any event, but you can't hold the location against it. I mean, there are some people flying from all over the world just to attend.
Limited tickets is also a bit feeble. There's no exclusivity; it was just first come, first served just like pretty much any other event you could think of. After it first sold out, the organisers even moved it to a larger venue so more people could attend.
What you say about it being a 'business' is is a totally different conversation, but is nothing new. The AT event has zero bearing on that, except it appears to have reminded some people that this is how things are and reawoken their 'angst' as you call it. Same with the cost of the book- it's a separate issue, although clearly very emotive for some. But again, just like anything, something is only worth as much as someone is willing to spend, and for every person who thinks it's too much to spend (and fair enough), there's another who, like me, thinks it's totally worth it.
I'm glad someone else used the word 'bitterness' because I certainly didn't want to, but the attitude towards this event has a whiff of sour grapes about it, but I can't work out why. If it's not your cup of tea, you don't have time, can't afford it, whatever, then fair play. It's sad to read people scraping the barrel for reasons to run it down.
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 27, 2017 16:10:19 GMT
Firstly I'm glad really glad that for perhaps a long time, there is actually a discussion on here, with varying points of view, and that's NOT a sarcastic flippant remark, I actually say thank you. It makes it interesting.
ok, yes we all have varying degrees on what's fair, what I want, what I can afford etc, and totally agree up to the individual, that also applies to those who think it's unfair, giving I hope an alternative point of view.
many say ABBA owe us nothing, perhaps thats right for some, for others , "well it's us who helped to get them up there and remain there for 40 plus years, so a little thankyou would not go amiss. "
So for which ever camp you fall into, and lets face it that's what these forums are all about, "to share", it's good to talk and discuss, your never going to please all the people all of the time.
you may have to ask why does it leave a bad taste for some and not others, for me personally as I've said from the very start, I hope that "we" in general will get something out of this, to share with everyone.
as always time will tell.😉
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Post by josef on Feb 27, 2017 17:57:59 GMT
I don't see any bitterness, just opinions. What's that all about? No one is going to agree on everything ABBA-related, but we're all fans, to some degree or other. It's no secret that I am not a fan of the Mamma Mia! franchise but I appreciate it brought the music to a new generation. But at what cost? My opinion is that it cheapened the music and deepened the 'cheesy pop' tag. I'll always feel that way. Same with this restaurant Mamma Mia! experience. Dreadful. You want to go? Fine. You are keen on the new book? Great. Some of us aren't, and that doesn't make anyone 'bitter'. I won't be crying into my cornflakes about any of it. I've never been the type of fan who feels the need to have and do everything ABBA related.It would be nice if it was made a little easier for the many who CAN'T go to events or who can't afford expensive books to be able to participate in some small way. For that reason, I really hope someone sneaks a recording device into this thing- sod 'em! I'm no law breaker but needs must! Lol The biggest thing I did was go to ABBAWORLD when it was in London. That was enough for me. Of course not everyone's going to be able to see this latest thing any more than everyone was able to see ABBA perform in London all those years ago. That's just reality. But I do feel as fans we are being somewhat shortchanged. Others see it differently- that it's great someone gets to hear the demos and write about it in an expensive book, etc. Naturally, no one is forced to buy any book or travel anywhere. I've no interest in many of the ABBA groups on Facebook, etc. I'm just not your typical fan. I get excited about certain things but ABBA have become a cash cow now (I suppose they always were) and it makes me a little sad. I think it's the 'no photography/recording' thing that irks me a little. It seems a little spiteful. It's not as if it's keeping a new ABBA song under wraps or summat! THAT I could understand. Still, we shall see.
Money, Money, Money indeed.
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Post by Alan on Feb 27, 2017 18:01:02 GMT
I'm in the camp that believes ABBA don't owe us anything. This would be fine if they just shut up about it or led us to believe - as Benny once did - that there is "nothing left". But they've not only let one person hear to write and tell us, but now they're letting it be performed. For goodness sake, this is torture for some fans.
I'll add that I chose not to buy the book - a decision I'm very happy with - and am away when this performance takes place so couldn't have gone anyway. I didn't know a thing about it until an ABBA friend sent me that screen grab. Incidentally, he isn't going either. He lives in London and knew about it in time but like me, wasn't impressed.
I think I just want to hear the ABBA versions, and if that never happens then fine. I don't want to read about it from someone who has and I don't want to hear anyone else perform them. I just wish they either released it or kept quiet, not subject hardcore fans (I don't include myself in that) to this level of teasing.
I wish Tony (Hometime) was still around. I'd love to hear his take on this.
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Post by wombat on Feb 27, 2017 18:07:48 GMT
It's ugly things like this, that make me glad that I dont care about the demos and all the unreleased stuff.
I sort of feel sorry for the people who seriously hunger for all that sort of thing and then have it dangled like this in front of them.
I have the albums and a few bootlegs, and that is enough for me.
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Post by wombat on Feb 27, 2017 18:13:04 GMT
I'm in the camp that believes ABBA don't owe us anything. This would be fine if they just shut up about it or led us to believe - as Benny once did - that there is "nothing left". But they've not only let one person hear to write and tell us, but now they're letting it be performed. For goodness sake, this is torture for some fans. I'll add that I chose not to buy the book - a decision I'm very happy with - and am away when this performance takes place so couldn't have gone anyway. I didn't know a thing about it until an ABBA friend sent me that screen grab. Incidentally, he isn't going either. He lives in London and knew about it in time but like me, wasn't impressed. I think I just want to hear the ABBA versions, and if that never happens then fine. I don't want to read about it from someone who has and I don't want to hear anyone else perform them. I just wish they either released it or kept quiet, not subject hardcore fans (I don't include myself in that) to this level of teasing. I wish Tony (Hometime) was still around. I'd love to hear his take on this. I agree, the book is pointless. Paying somebody to listen to a bunch of unfinished stuff and then writing about it. I bought his first one for way too much money and was really disappointed. for some reason I thought he was going to give real details from B&B about technical stuff about the recording and mixing sessions. Instead it was basically a list of tunes and what they sort of sounded like or what they eventually became. No way was I going to buy the next edition. OR the extended Bright Lights edition. The first one was fine. I know he has to make a living but come on. Beating a dead horse. |
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Post by josef on Feb 27, 2017 18:24:58 GMT
Dangled, yes, that's a good description. It definitely feels a little like that. It's so easy for misunderstandings to occur. My feeling is more towards those who feel passionately about the demos, etc. I know there are many fans who feel very strongly about unreleased stuff. I long since gave up giving a rat's arse about Just Like That being released, etc. If it happens, hurrah!- if not, too bad. But it would be nice for those fans who care a lot. I'm not one of them because ultimately, it's not up to anyone else- it is their music to do with what they will. We can't hold them to ransom. It's their prerogative to do what the hell they please. And laugh all the way to the bank, probably!  |
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Post by wombat on Feb 27, 2017 19:05:21 GMT
I was never a collector. I dont care to have every single thing they ever recorded. Just Like That means nothing to me, in my opinion, it isnt that great, the verse is awkward... I cant understand the furor over it.
That's only my opinion, I cant understand why people get so overwrought and melodramatic about having to have this sort of demo-vault stuff... but then its not my problem, and I cant help them anyway.
Bjorn and Benny could however. I wonder what they think. Is it, "We worked our butts off for ten years non-stop and gave them blood sweat and tears and the albums and all the videos is more than enough, we gave them a museum too; they should enjoy it, and we dont owe them anything else." I agree with that.
OR maybe they are aware of how badly some of these die-hard super fans are longing for these odd bits of left-over material, and for whatever reason, dont care. "We'll give them another restaurant instead!"
I dont know.
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Post by Michal on Feb 27, 2017 19:37:52 GMT
I'm sorry but just don't get all those remarks about money and ABBA being a cash cow. Are they making any money out of this event? They would if they released the stuff but not this way. Yes... you can blame Palm for that. But actually it was the fans who urged him to update The Complete Recording Sessions and he resisted for a very long time. Of course I can't tell if he succeeded in making it better until I read it but so far it sounds promising for me.
And as for the London event... it's a question what all those unhappy people who are complaining about it expect to hear there. Some hidden gems? New Dancing Queens or Fernandos? Oh come on... it will be Move On with different lyrics at the very best and personally I would prefer to hear Agnetha and Frida singing Jingle Bells than two anonymous singers' take on early versions of ABBA songs. Even if there is some unreleased stuff we haven't heard before and someone indeed sneaks in some recording device, what of it? It won't be ABBA. Are you much keen on Arrival's Funky Feet or Just A Notion? Would you care if Just Like That made its way into Mamma Mia! musical as originally planned?
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Post by HOMETIME on Feb 27, 2017 23:05:36 GMT
I wish Tony (Hometime) was still around. I'd love to hear his take on this. How nice! Over in the Happy New Year thread I said that I'd pop back in when there was a conversation I thought I could join and - hey! - here we are. Not sure that my thoughts will amount to much, but this new development has got me thinking. I, too, feel that ABBA do not owe us anything. To me, this event looks like a gesture of generosity on B&B's part to help promote a book that will have a very niche audience (and that may explain the eye-watering price). They didn't have to do this, but they did. I wonder if they are paying the singers for the event, or has CMP sold a kidney for this? No matter where such a one-off event is held, it would be "centric" to that city. I'm sure CMP must be thrilled to benefit from such a wonderful promotional event, especially as it illustrates some obscure parts of - let's face it - a very nerdy book. And for those fans lucky enough to share the experience? Congratulations. OK. That's the Mr. Nice Guy shizzle out of the way. They might not have intended it but, if you ask me, B&B are trolling the fans. They have cited a fierce integrity in steadfastly refusing to release this material. But this event is the loosening of the lid of Pandora's Box: obscure material carefully described in print will now get a public airing. A limited public airing but it's out there nonetheless. I hope that every fan in attendance defies the likely no-phones policy. Better yet, I hope that Mono Music officially releases/streams the show so that all the fans can enjoy it too. SO, if we get that far, why not let the fans actually get their hands on the stuff? Stream it officially. Better yet, let anyone who really wants to to buy it and let ALL of the profits of material you would otherwise bury go directly to important charities. This event should be the starting point for something amazing for fans; something that need not tarnish the Legend Of ABBA™, something that could benefit a lot of people through charitable donations. Get the bug out of your arses, lads: nobody expects the vaults to be harbouring an overlooked "Dancing Queen"; everybody knows that this material was held back for a reason; it can go straight to the fans with little or no public fanfare. Now come on and argue against THAT. Sincerely, Trolled Dublin 7 |
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Post by gary on Feb 28, 2017 11:52:31 GMT
Nice to see hometime back 'home'!
I can't imagine that, in this day and age, a recording won't emerge somewhere.
I am buying the book, mainly because I have never had a copy of the first edition. £90+ is a bit daunting, so I hope it's worth it!
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Post by Alan on Feb 28, 2017 14:36:56 GMT
The official reason (according to my source) for recording being banned is "out of respect to the former ABBA members". They can't remove mobile phones from anyone but I'd imagine they'd quickly have security onto anyone visibly trying to film it. And if sound recordings found their way onto YouTube, I doubt they'd last very long!
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Post by wombat on Feb 28, 2017 15:03:10 GMT
I have to wonder if finally, one day, B&B will crack the vault open and say, "what the hell, it was 50 years ago; if they want it so bad, let them have it".
Most of the other bands I can think of, from the same era, have been bootlegged to death and dont seem to mind. I mean, there are really good sounding copies available of almost everything recorded by the Beatles, Led Zep, the Grateful Dead, Deep Purple, all those guys. None of them seem to care, at least publicly. Not just concert recordings, studio stuff as well, that was not intended to be released (at the time).
That being said, I'm not sure if the demand for those bands' outtakes and rarities was a lot louder and more in number, than the demand for Abba stuff. It might well be that the demand for Abba rarities isnt that great... perhaps there is only a small group of die-hard super fan collectors that want it all, and perhaps there just arent enough people demanding it.
I dont know, perhaps its a HUGE number of people. If it is a huge number, then I wonder, why dont B&B relent?
Or was it a group decision long ago, to NEVER let this stuff out of the vault?
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 28, 2017 16:07:30 GMT
I find it a little strange That as yet nothing has been mentioned, regardless of it not being ABBA, that "something", track, melody, verse whatever is going to be played live to the audience. This in itself is a anomaly, paradox, lie, untruth, whatever you'd like to call it, when apparently there was literally nothing left in the vaults !! So B&B, what has suddenly changed to make " these" worthy of a selected public hearing? There is something left after all, A Pandora's box, literally.... hope, in our case hope of something new or of interest. again it will probably be the same arguemment ..it's up to them etc and of course it is, but is there a smell of rat in the air ? Again a big thank you to both sides of the fence, for a very interesting discussion, the forum is alive and kicking... |
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Post by josef on Feb 28, 2017 16:21:55 GMT
I doubt there's gazillions of fans interested in the demos. I think it's a relatively small number. Then you have fans like me who wouldn't mind hearing but don't lose any sleep over it.
My theory is that Benny/Bjorn keep the ABBA dream alive with tit-bits like this. They don't actually really want to revisit the ABBA days in any serious capacity (i.e. getting back together/recording new songs) but they also know it's sort of like their pension. So now and then we'll have stuff like this pop up. They'll eke it out 'til their last breath.
As Graham said, at least it's got us ABBA fans chatting.
But 90 quid for that book? Christ almighty, that's taking the proverbial!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 17:13:11 GMT
As always, when it comes to 'The Vaults', owe see the views of the 'Why can't we have them released?',
ABBA Fans, and the 'I don't mind - ABBA owe us nothing', ABBA Fans'.
I paid a lot of cash to pre-order CMP's forthcoming Book. Mainly because he said he needed 'The Fans'
to contribute money towards it, if it was to be published. I wanted to help to get the Book published.
But, I've decided that when I actually get it, I've no intention of actually reading it. I'll put it in a drawer
& forget that I ever bought it. I'd rather not know CMP's descriptions of unreleased ABBA Music, that we cannot
hear for ourselves. Just as I'd rather not hear other singers performing unreleased ABBA Music, that we all know
Agnetha & Frida will have sung far better, on the original ABBA versions. To me, it is a silly & pointless thing to
bother going to. Even if I were paid to go, I would not want to be there. I think that the 'Demos' idea is absurd.
In the meantime, Universal will want to carry on 'milking' cash out of ABBA's back catalogue. Without anything
further from 'The Vaults', this means yet more future Compilations of the 'SOS' - Same Old Songs. Benny and
Bjorn leave them no other choice.
I'm sure that the 'ABBA owe us nothing Fans' will not mind. After all, if they don't care if we get nothing
further from 'The Vaults', they can't possibly mind future ABBA 'Hits' Albums, with the inevitable old ABBA
Songs on them. Because that is all that Universal are left to release - the usual old ABBA Songs.
Let's see...September 2017 is the 25th Anniversary of 'ABBA Gold'. Will there be a '25th Anniversary Edition?
If there is, I can't wait to hear the Tracks on it! (LOL!).
What never ending excitement, one has, being an ABBA Fan in the 21st Century.....
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I hope someone records these so those who aren't going (like me) can hear. 
