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Post by wombat on Jun 26, 2017 13:14:09 GMT
She's always seemed a bit of a mystery to me. I've said this before, but, when her contract to Cupol lapsed, the conventional wisdom is that she was just too busy with Abba by then, and her family, and didnt have time for it. Altho we dont know if there were any other reasons, that guess makes sense.
The curious part is what follows. She stops writing songs, or, at least does not offer a song to the group, for years. (Unless she did and they turned it down and nobody ever breathed a word of it after). Plenty of musicians with families continue to write songs. I do not know her or her family or anyone connected, so I am just speculating about people I dont know - but this has always seemed strange to me. Why stop? Was she tired of the whole thing? Did she not have confidence in her own material? The melodies on 11 Women are every bit as good as most of the stuff on the Abba albums.
I agree, the farther into the future one goes, the worse her original material becomes. Like she lost her muse somehow. Its not unique or even complex in anyway. Jimi Hendrix once said something like "songwriting is just like playing guitar - you have to keep doing it and practicing, if you stop, you forget how".
In any event, I like all her old stuff, the 80s stuff, I dont. And to me, just my opinion, I consider the HepStars as Bennys pre-abba solo stuff, and the Hootenanny Singers, same for Bjorn. So, in my opinion, those two were arguably more successful than Agnetha pre-Abba, but, thats splitting hairs.
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 20:40:06 GMT
Dont think about it all that much. If it wasnt one I didnt really like or didnt really dislike, then it got a 5 or a 6.
I think I spent 5 minutes. I know which ones I really like and which ones I dont.
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 19:31:26 GMT
A quote from Chess springs to my mind: "The man is utterly mad!" Now I feel ashamed it took me 15 minutes - I'm reprehensibly superficial I took less than that. I didnt bother with all the alt versions and unreleased things. Its fun to see how others rank the songs - interesting to see who gives songs a 10 or a 1 (or even zero!) (and I hate disco, so most of their overtly disco stuff I rated low)
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 17:50:06 GMT
Stig. He's rarely talked about. What is the man's legacy? A genius who managed and cultivated an iconic worldwide group of superstars or a ruthless businessman who fell out with the group members over financial affairs and ended his relationship with the members in acrimony, tainting his legacy? I don't know the details of the final years very well but it's fascinating all the same. He passed away a good while ago so maybe it's ok now to assess the mark he made during those crucial, formative years in the early seventies. What do you think? He was a genius of the music business and without him, they never would have broken out of Sweden. ZERO chance. Period. That aspect of their career, the worldwide success, a lot of that happened because of Stig's experience and contacts, and relentless devotion to the band.
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 17:38:43 GMT
Just curious, not arguing, but was Agnetha really the most successful prior to Abba? I know she hit big with Jag Var and Tara Vore Guld... and I know she had a bunch of singles out in Germany as well (which are all my favorites).
but was she really more popular than Hep Stars and Hootenanny Singers?
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 17:32:59 GMT
Theres very little out there about him, and even this youtube, looks like he just picked up somebodys Fender and is playing thru who knows what.
If you watch the Abba on concert vids, if thats him playing, theres all kinds of basses being used.
Hard to say, as Tretow and B&B could have heavily edited/produced the bass sound to make it sound tonally different than what he played. I mean by this, turn up the upper mids and pile a bunch of compression on a P-bass track and you can make it sound more like a Rickenbacker.
I've looked and I've never seen much about any equipment used by him, or Janne, or anybody except Benny.
This was something I wished Magnus Palmer would have investigated in his "INcomplete recording" book on Abba. Theres nothing about it. Either he didnt care or didnt bother or nobody would answer, or more likely, only freaks like you and me would be interested LOL
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Post by wombat on Jun 22, 2017 16:19:54 GMT
I didnt do them all, sorry, just the officially released things and selected rare pieces.
RING RING Ring Ring (English) - 8 Another Town, Another Train - 5 Disillusion - 6 People Need Love - 4 I Saw It In The Mirror - 4 Nina, Pretty Ballerina - 7 Love Isn't Easy (But Is Sure Is Hard Enough) - 4 Me And Bobby And Bobby's Brother - 4 He Is Your Brother - 5 She's My Kind Of Girl - 4 I Am Just A Girl - 3 Rock 'N' Roll Band - 3 Merry-Go-Round - 4 Santa Rosa - 3
WATERLOO Waterloo (English) - 10 Sitting In The Palmtree - 4 King Kong Song - 9 Hasta Mañana - 7 My Mama Said - 7 Dance (While The Music Still Goes On) - 2 Honey Honey - 10 Watch Out - 1 What About Livingstone - 7 Gonna Sing You My Lovesong - 7 Suzy-Hang-Around - 3
ABBA Mamma Mia - 10 Hey, Hey Helen - 9 Tropical Loveland - 4 SOS - 10 Man In The Middle - 8 Bang-A-Boomerang - 6 (I'd rank this higher but the mix is terrible) I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do, I Do - 5 Rock Me - 3 Intermezzo No.1 - 10 I've Been Waiting For You - 7 So Long - 10 Crazy World - 3 Medley: Pick A Bale Of Cotton - 9
ARRIVAL When I Kissed The Teacher - 9 Dancing Queen - 10 My Love, My Life - 9 Dum Dum Diddle - 9 Knowing Me, Knowing You - 10 Money, Money, Money - 9 That's Me - 9 Why Did It Have To Be Me - 9 Tiger - 8 Arrival - 8 Fernando - 10 Happy Hawaii - 9
THE ALBUM Eagle - 5 Take A Chance On Me - 6 One Man, One Woman - 5 The Name Of The Game - 10 Move On - 5 Hole In Your Soul - 7 Thank You For The Music - 7 I Wonder (Departure) - 7 I'm A Marionette - 7
VOULEZ-VOUS As Good As New - 3 Voulez-Vous - 10 I Have A Dream - 9 Angeleyes - 9 The King Has Lost His Crown - 4 Does Your Mother Know - 7 If It Wasn't For The Nights - 3 Chiquitita - 10 Lovers (Live A Little Longer) - 4 Kisses Of Fire - 4 Summer Night City - 6 Lovelight - 6 Gimme Gimme Gimme - 2
SUPER TROUPER Super Trouper - 9 The Winner Takes It All - 10 On And On And On - 7 Andante, Andante - 4 Me And I - 6 Happy New Year - 7 Our Last Summer - 5 The Piper - 9 Lay All Your Love On Me - 7 The Way Old Friends Do - 9 Elaine - 7 Put On Your White Sombrero - 2
THE VISITORS The Visitors - 8 Head Over Heels - 8 When All Is Said And Done - 5 Soldiers - 4 I Let The Music Speak - 3 One Of Us - 9 Two For The Price Of One - 10 Slipping Through My Fingers - 7 Like An Angel Passing Through My Room - 1 Should I Laugh Or Cry - 3
1982 You Owe Me One - 8 I Am The City - 7 Cassandra - 6 Under Attack - 8 The Day Before You Came - 1
OTHER
Sang Till Görel - 4 Hovas Vittne - 10 Tivedshambo (1981) - 9
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Post by wombat on Jun 1, 2017 20:37:53 GMT
Oh and Fafner's right, you dont gain anything by burning audio files to a CD. It doesnt upscale the resolution or anything like that. If you burn a bunch of compressed mp3s to a CD, thats what its going to sound like when you play it back. A bunch of compressed mp3s.
Hey Fafner, your avatar, nice pic of your wife with the sunglasses. Diggin it.
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Post by wombat on Jun 1, 2017 19:59:29 GMT
I've taken a few CDs and ripped the files to flac, just out of curiousity. Worked fine and did sound better in some cases than a hi rez mp3. It really depended on the song itself.
I thought about ripping my entire CD collection to flac and uploading it to Google drive for backup... but that would take forever and usually the only place I listen to music that wasnt produced by me, is in my car, on shuffle.
And for those tracks, I know this is herecy, but I take them into my DAW and add some overall light compression-brickwalling a touch, just because it sounds better to me with all the road noise and stuff. This doesnt touch the original files, just clones I make for the car.
Anyway, back to the OP, it seems to me, the far easiest way to get flac files from Abba, is to buy the CDs and rip your own. Its easy and all you need is a computer with a CD drive.
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Post by wombat on Jun 1, 2017 14:20:57 GMT
No, I can't and I don't need the CD. In which century are we living? thats hilarious given that you are trying to find music from the 1970s.
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Post by wombat on May 26, 2017 16:24:05 GMT
can you not buy the CDs and then rip flac tracks yourself?
just curious...
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Post by wombat on May 9, 2017 20:15:49 GMT
^^^^
I suppose you are correct.
Still with a name like The Complete Recording Sessions...
I dont know. What you end up with in the second edition, is a more in-depth listing of a bunch of out-takes and unfinished work that you're almost certainly never going to hear. Um, no thanks.
To each his own.
Magnus should hit up Bjorn or Benny to do a REAL treatise on Abba recording. But again, you're probably right, not much of an audience for that. The Beatles had a musician fan-base wide enough to warrant such books. Thats probably a very rare thing.
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Post by wombat on May 8, 2017 12:59:13 GMT
I am a new member and I don't see a thread for discussing the revised edition of the complete recording sessions, so I'll just make my comments here. I got my copy of the revised and expanded edition a few weeks ago and have nearly finished it. Maybe I'm the first one to say I feel slightly underwhelmed by this expanded edition. Ha, what can I say.... I was underwhelmed by the first edition. His Bright Lights Dark Shadows is a great book, but when it comes to trying to discuss the music itself, especially down to the technical details... I wonder if he doesnt have any experience or technical expertise in doing so. Its like trying to read a book about how Frank Lloyd Wright designed and built his buildings, written by a guy with no architecture experience. ...Then there are other tracks which I think he could have elaborated on a bit more such as "Just A Notion". The reasons it never has been released in full still are a little vague to me. "Unmixable" is what Bjorn said about it. Michael B. Tretow said it had "an inherent weakness" that they couldn't get around, but what couldn't have been fixed with some editing/overdubbing in the mixing process?... Havent you ever gone down a road for a bit and realized it was a dead end? It's not like Bjorn and Benny are alone in doing such a thing. Get into the vaults of any major rock band and you'll find all kinds of unfinished material. The group decided for whatever reason, they didnt like it, it wasnt working, and they changed direction to work on something else. Maybe they thought they would come back to it at some point in the future and.. well, you know what happened.
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Post by wombat on Apr 19, 2017 16:46:17 GMT
Yeah, that could be really cool but nobody does that. You can get multitracks only through bootlegs, no band officially releases such things, am I right? Nobody in their right mind would do that. Thats a bands private intellectual property and they'd be crazy to release that. Can you imagine the horrible re-mixes of their glorious songs suddenly unleashed upon youtube? LOL I've seen a few multi-tracks bootlegged from files cracked open via the Guitar Hero game. Bands were paid big bucks to provide original multi-tracks to the game company for said purpose and it didnt take long for somebody to crack that wide open. Some of these werent the original bands files, they were made for the game, but some were from the bands. But thats it, thats all I've ever seen, at least available on bootleg.
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Post by wombat on Apr 19, 2017 12:28:04 GMT
Yes of course, this is where classical and pop/rock differ; in the later but not the former the recording itself is part of the composition as it were. This is why we need Benny himself to remix the albums, because he knows what goes where... He'd need to proper motivation for that. Roughly speaking, as Paul Stanley once said, and I have no reason to argue - "it takes three times longer to mix than it does record". Benny might get Ludwig to do it.... Benny wouldnt have time. what would be MORE fun, would be a software delivery package where you get a set of Abba songs with all, or most, of the original multi-tracks.. and then you can create your own customized mix. I know, never happen.....
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Post by wombat on Apr 18, 2017 18:59:37 GMT
^^ Steve Hoffman is the guy that ABBA audiophile Rudolf Ondrich rates highly. Rudolf is confident that ABBA remastering by Hoffman would be much better than any previous attempts. Kate Bush recorded her 1993 album The Red Shoes digitally, and wasn't happy with the results. She had the album remastered in 2011 by converting it back to analog (there was a way it was done, not sure how). I think all of her subsequent albums have been recorded with DAT and she also mentioned using Pro-Tools. Hoffman knows everything there is to know about mastering. He does work for the big artists, big name acts. He also is quite the historian on all things recording studio, knows all the old LA scene cats, and how everything was done in the 70s. Hoffman remastering just about anything would probably be an improvement. You guys should all descend upon the Hoffman forum and DEMAND that he call up Bjorn and Benny. Haha.
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Post by wombat on Apr 18, 2017 16:53:10 GMT
I always believed it's due to a low capacity of a CD? That some parts of the sound are simply missing... And the use of digital media with bigger capacity (DVD or BD) should solve the problem. I thought the digital recording and mastering itself is beneficial because there's no hiss, distortion and the copying is lossless. Even ABBA used digital recorders at the end of their career. Also I've read somewhere that the first CDs sounded bad because they used the masters meant for cutting LPs and the sound characteristics of LP and CD are different - hence all the remastering. What I don't understand is why they remaster the sound for re-releases on vinyl - it should be perfect? its often boiled down to the digital conversion process from analog. Analog isnt about numbers, its about vibrations (mostly). Digital is about converting vibrations into numbers, and some of these analog things dont convert well. Reverbs in particular can be difficult. A lot of higher end studios dont use digital recording anymore, to a point. The console and outboard gear are all software/digital, but often, the sound is put onto analog tape, or at least DAT (digital analog tape, which is a sort of hybrid... that I dont really understand LOL). Neil Young once stated that recording and mixing in all digital was like taking a shower with ice cubes. And Abba ran into the same issue with the Visitors... eventually after recording in all digital, they didnt like the sound and had Tretow convert a bunch of it back into analog. At least I think thats what happened. Some of the early CDs were a matter of somebody slapping a vinyl album onto a player and then they'd needle drop it and run it thru whatever analog-digital converter they had. Results were often terrible. I'm guessing, but I assume that when you buy vinyl that has been "remastered"... its because of either one of two things - they could not find an acceptable analog master to work from, only a digital one, so they had to remaster it - or, the process they use to lathe vinyl today is so different from when the analog master was created, they had to work on it some to get it to where it would suit their process. Just guessing. I've never worked on anything that was printed to vinyl. I might be all wrong about all of that. These sorts of questions would be better answered on another forum called Hoffman - forums.stevehoffman.tv/ - mentioned previously on this thread those guys know a lot more stuff about mastering than I do. The owner of that forum is a famous professional mastering guy himself.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 19:13:02 GMT
There wasnt any real demand for bootleg stuff either. Thats why the underground circuit came into being, to (quietly) provide underground mostly in concert recordings, sometimes illegally recorded or stolen soundboards etc... but not that many fans knew about it or seemed to care, in the 70s.
Everything has changed since these artists stopped recording. I mean, in 1982, nobody gived a fig about Abbas vault stuff or even if there was any. The CD had come out but most of Abbas stuff was on vinyl and consumers didnt really question the quality of it.
Now its all different, and everybody wants everything all the time. Give collectors a small sampling of something hidden away in an artists vault and they arent satisfied with a second rate version on a bootleg. They want the whole thing, the final mixed version, in superior quality, and sometimes they seem upset if the artist holds out and refuses to release it.
Whether he knows it or not, Magnus is simply fueling this fire. I wonder if he knows he is, and hopes he is somehow pressuring B&B to release it? I have no idea.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 17:39:28 GMT
anyway, sorry for derailing the thread.
Back your regularly scheduled discussion of unreleased Abba everything.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 17:37:57 GMT
You're over on the Hoffman classical forum all the time. Question, do those guys complain about the remastering as much as the rock/pop fans do?
I remember when I was a kid, my Dad proudly had this LP of Tchaikovskys 1812 overture, recorded on film, not audiotape... because it was wider and would allow more space between tracks, or some crazy thing. Then it had real cannons in it! They were freaking loud as hell too. He'd crank that sucker up sometimes.
This sort of thing was unheard of in the pop world at the time. Pop records were vomited out in the quickest and cheapest way imaginable. Think about it.. back then, consumers of pop and rock were often listening on transistor radios. Even by the time of Abbas heyday, rock listeners were only beginning to consider the quality of what they were buying. Most consumers were probably oblivious to the entire process. My sister had a phonograph where she could stack multiple LPs and one would play and then drop right on top of the next one and spin and get played... never mind the grinding going on underneath.
HAHA take THAT hoffman freaks!! :-)
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 16:54:31 GMT
That's true, especially with classical music, most companies rarely provide any details about the remastering process and the sources. But still, I would guess that if they write "from the original master tapes" then surely they don't mean some copies of copies that were compressed and re-equalized for vinyl, or something of that sort. But who knows... But there are exceptions, some labels (again classical) pride themselves to have remasters made by remixing the original multitracks (e.g., Mercury living presence, RCA living stereo, Pentatone). it was a long standing tradition that classical music received better production and manufacturing that pop or rock, so this wouldnt surprise me. There was a story from a long time ago and I dont doubt it. Led Zeps legendary manager visited the record manufacturing factory that Atlantic was using to manufacture the Led Zep albums. Whether or not they were all manufactured from one facility isnt known, but, the story was Grant saw these vats of chemicals where the vinyl was somehow processed. I'm not sure what process was being done, but, he noted that there was one dirty and disgusting vat and another one, much cleaner. He asked, what gets done in the dirty ones and they said, all the rock and r&b vinyl goes in there, and all the classical gets the clean one. Grant then demanded all the Led Zep stuff get the clean vat. Who knows. The Led Zep stuff did often sound pretty good back then. Point is, at least at that factory, rock and pop were considered lesser than classical, or that the audience of rock and pop didnt notice or demand a higher standard of sonic quality. Wouldnt surpise me to learn that this sort of thing went on at all levels of the production industry. Back then anyway. Fast forward 40-50 years and now the rock pop audience, or at least a certain segment of it, is more demanding. Hence the scramble by the record companies to find the best source possible of the old tracks and then remaster it... because its a new way to flog an old dead horse.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 15:57:40 GMT
Back in the days of early digital recordings, before CD's were a thing, I guess they did something similar when mastering digital recordings for LP's. The difference is that it made sense to do it before CD players became widely available, whereas nowadays, you are just getting an identical sound to the CD, but with noise and distortion added. I really don't understand most people. (once I read some audiophile claiming that when you print something onto an lp it automatically upgrades the sound, even if it's from a digital source, just because it's an analogue medium. I think it makes little sense since you can't create information ex-nihilo just by converting from one medium to another). And yeah, some vinyl albums are mastered in pure analogue directly from the master tapes - I remember that the Beatles mono mixes were reissued this way recently, and also some classical music recordings, but I suppose it's the exception and not the rule. (and I bet that all the recent Abba vinyl reissues have been produced from digital masters). It is true that analog has a certain characteristic that CDs or digi does not... its hard to put into words, but warmth or softness are often used. Therefore even a vinyl album cut from a digi master source, will sound differently than a CD cut from the same digi master source. Better? Hard to say. As you see on the Hoffman forum, these poor analog audiophile sods are chasing fairy dust and listening for things that they probably cant really hear. I feel sorry for them sometimes. Then again, maybe they can hear it and I cant because I cooked my ears a long time ago. Heh. A distinction to WHERE and WHAT SOURCE the masters were used, would be good info to have when purchasing a remastered CD. I havent seen that very often. Even when they say "from the original master TAPES" as I said above, those can be from any number of cloned and cloned and re-cloned masters. "Original" here is a curious word.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 15:23:34 GMT
These days its all different. People do everything in their home studios, including mastering, and there are hundreds of youtube tutorials on how to master your own recordings. Then you send a CD to the disc manufacturing facility and all they do is clone it, duplicate it thousands of times. Unless they want to produce it on vinyl, which seems to happen quite often nowadays - though I suppose that most modern LP's are printed using digital masters, even when they reissue older analogue recordings (which defeats the whole point of a vinyl record, but that's another matter). You don't need to actually have your album on an analogue tape in older to print an LP with modern equipment, correct? Surely you can feed the digital signal directly into the cutting machine, without having it on tape. I'm guessing here because I havent made an album in fifteen years (wow has it really been that long!) and so a lot has changed since then. Back then, it was ludicrous to even suggest putting your next album available on vinyl, there was no call for it really.,... thats how far its come in only the last several years. so much stuff is now being done by people at home, it would only make sense for a vinyl manufacturer, to have a very good digital to analog converter for the very purpose of taking a digital master from somebodys CD and putting it on vinyl. Again, just a guess. When you get a remastered edition on vinyl, you are probably getting such a thing... a vinyl edition cut from a digital remaster, converted BACK to analog. Thats a weird process.... analog master - converted to digital remaster - then converted again to analog master for vinyl cutting. Back in the old days you used to have a record lathe cutter. I'm a bit sketchy on these details because it was before my time, really. I've seen lathe cut vinyl on various mediums - some of these things were the actual "master" cut vinyl that was used as a clone source. Some of these things were actually lathed by hand. I've seen hand-lathe cut vinyl for "demo masters" of various recordings by the band REM. You can even buy lathe machines now for your own purposes, I've seen them for sale on Ebay... if you want to hand cut your own vinyl albums at home. I suppose its possible that if you got a super-luxury-expensive vinyl remaster of an album, its possible the manufacturers found an old lathe cut master vinyl to use. Doubtful but I suppose it could happen. Lathe cutting is interesting, read about it on Wiki if you want.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 14:48:07 GMT
I forgot to add... in the case of the original mix down.. I've been on projects where each song was mixed down to its own 2track tape. The client then wound up with 14 individual tapes he took to the mastering house. Then the mastering people cloned each of his tapes, onto their own tape and worked on that. Thats a very unusual example however. Most studios will kindly assemble all the 2track mixdowns onto a single tape, sometimes analog, sometimes DAT (digital audio tape) to go to the mastering house.
In the case of Abba, we dont know how they worked. The most likely scenario, each song was mixed down by Benny Bjorn and Tretow working together, to its own 2track tape. Then when they had them all finished, Tretow more than likely cloned each of those tapes, onto a single tape, which was sent to the Mastering house.
All this is somewhat important because as Fafner said, when you clone an analog tape, you get a tiny bit of inherent noise added.
Mastering houses still exist... a lot of studios still use analog tape at the end, altho the software and consoles are often digital. That tape then goes to a mastering house. The last one I used was Rodney Mills, fans of Lynyrd Skynyrd should know who he is. Its in his big house, you go downstairs and there are gold records all over his walls, Skynyrd, Springsteen, all kinds of people.... all the albums he worked on over the years.
It was Mills who gave me a lot of the info I stated above.
These days its all different. People do everything in their home studios, including mastering, and there are hundreds of youtube tutorials on how to master your own recordings. Then you send a CD to the disc manufacturing facility and all they do is clone it, duplicate it thousands of times.
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Post by wombat on Apr 17, 2017 12:44:57 GMT
theres always a lot of confusion with the terminology here.
Multi-track or "mother" tapes are pre-mix. These are the 24, 36 or 48-track tapes that have the original recordings of all the performances, each track with one instrument or vocal on it (usually). In the case of the Beatles, they had to work differently because they had only 8 tracks.
The songs are then mixed down, to a 2 track stereo tape, to the artists' satisfaction. This tape can be called all kinds of things too, master, mix, I've heard it called different things. This mixed down 2 track tape is, or was, then sent to a Mastering facility where additional work was applied. Overall EQ settings, lots of overall compression, the running order of tracks finalized, volumes of tracks raised or lowered, all kinds of things. This tape is usually called the master.
The master is then cloned many times for various uses. Some go to album or tape manufacturers, where the masters are then cloned again for the factory's own specific purposes and further alterations of the audio may be performed. Sometimes the master is cloned for a mono mix for television (especially in the 60s or early 70s). All kinds of different masters exist for popular albums where the music had to be prepared for different playback scenarios.
Thus you run into the problem of "remastered". With so many different masters floating around, many of them altered from the original master, you dont know what you're getting. Even if the CD says "remastered from the ORIGINAL master tape", the remastering itself will affect the sound.
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Post by wombat on Apr 14, 2017 12:46:31 GMT
Are any of you folks big Beatles fans? There is no end to the alt version working version outtake versions of Beatles stuff. This Abba thing is a drop in the bucket compared to the endless vault of Beatles rejects...
I've been to Beatles forums and the collectors there are mad for all of it. I'm not putting anyone down for pursuing all this, if it makes you happy, then go for it. Me? Nope, but different things make different people happy.
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Post by wombat on Apr 13, 2017 16:10:53 GMT
a third verse doesnt excite me, nor does an acoustic guitar version of Eagle. They arent new songs, they're only working versions of something I've already heard. Rosalita, maybe. But its a working version of Chiq with different lyrics.
I'm not a collector. I dont have to have every single thing they ever did. I mean, I was thrilled awhile back when I found Hovas Vittne on a bootleg. I had never heard that, and it was a brand new song for me. Most of this stuff isnt like that. Bits and pieces that were completed later.
Not really interested, sorry.
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Post by wombat on Apr 13, 2017 12:48:46 GMT
I'm a bad Abba fan. I probably wouldnt listen to these alt versions - outtakes, even if they were available. Not interested, unless its a completely different musical direction. Seems to me these are just endless tiny variations on something I've already heard many times before...
Sorry, my bad.....
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Post by wombat on Apr 5, 2017 12:38:52 GMT
What are the prices for this book in various currencies? Since he started the book, the pound sterling has declined heavily post-referendum against other currencies. Has he taken that into account? Printed version of ABBA - The Complete Recording Sessions (Revised & Expanded Edition). Hardcover, clothbound with dust jacket, printed in full colour. Prices include shipping. The actual prices are: UNITED KINGDOM: EUR 105 (approx. GBP 94) EUROPE: EUR 121 REST OF WORLD: EUR 126 (approx. USD 138; AUD 180) Was the UK Euro rate more before the referendum? Was the UK approx price always £94? I've got the hardbound version of the first edition, I'll sell for 25 US dollars for anybody that wants it. Buyer pays shipping. I wanna thank Magnus for making this older version an expensive paperweight for me and everybody else that payed ridiculous prices before, just to get a copy. Thanks a lot, buddy. Yeah.
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Post by wombat on Apr 4, 2017 21:35:17 GMT
90 pounds for this is insane, I dont care how long it took him to write. He's milking the hardcore Abba fans for all they're worth.
I wasted money on that last book, Treasures, or whatever it was.... a few pictures and one nice stage diagram, and then some reminiscing from the wardrobe lady.
I looked at it once and regretted buying it.
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