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Post by gamleman on Jul 6, 2021 9:48:32 GMT
"As I see it, Jack Savoretti is No 1 in the UK album chart this week with "Europiana". Queen are at No 13 and ABBA at No 17." The mid weeks show Queen on approx 10,000 sales and Abba are at 16... by Friday who knows.. but looking likely for Queens 5th week at number 1... 40 years later !! Queen are currently 4000 ahead of no.2 but that's likely to narrow as the week progresses. Ah, mid-week chart - I don't see that on the official chart website. Why the sudden surge of sales for Queen this week? |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 6, 2021 10:12:43 GMT
As many of you will recall, there was supposed to be a 2 Hour ABBA TV Special, in 2018. It was due to be made by NBC, (USA), and the BBC was to deal with its Global Broadcasts. The TV 'Tribute Show' was due to be Broadcast on Tuesday 18th December 2018. Then it was 'Delayed', (until 2019), and then it was 'Cancelled', at the start of 2019. It was Bjorn who said that it was no longer going to be made. THE ABBA TRIBUTE 'SHOW' IS BACK ON!
'Thank You For The Music/An All Star Tribute' - 2 Hours Long According to Wikipedia, the ABBA TV 'Special' will now be Broadcast, later in 2021. NBC, (USA), will make it. The BBC will deal with Broadcasts outside the USA. As before, The ABBAtars will be 'Introduced' in it. They will 'Sing', (Mime), at least 1 'New' Song - 'I Still Have Faith In You'. Here is the Link to the Wikipedia Page:
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CAUTION -- Of course, it may just be made up gossip, to try to excite ABBA Fans. As ABBA Fans have pointed out - elsewhere - anyone can Edit and add to a Wikipedia Page. So, it may be a load of nonsense. We will see. I Posted it, just in case it may be true. It was not my intention, to get Fans excited about nothing. |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 6, 2021 10:31:36 GMT
'Greatest Hits' (One) by Queen looks like being up from No.14 to No.1 on Friday.
The reason being - several things. It has been Re-issued with a different cover. It
has also been Re-issued in Cassette Form. I think that each Cassette has a Photo
of each of the 4 Group Members - so the Cassettes have 4 covers. It has also been
heavily Advertised on UK TV, in the past Week. Universal were determined to get it
back to No.1, this Week. It is already No.1 in the Mid Week's, so it is on course, to be
No.1 on Friday.
It was last at No.1 in the W/E 5th December 1981 - its 4th No.1 Week. Then, it was
replaced at No.1 by 'Chart Hits '81'. Then - 1 Week later - W/E 19th December - it
was 'The Visitors', by ABBA, that went in at No.1 - with the Queen Album at No.2.
The Queen Album was last in the UK Top 5 on W/E 30th January 1982. It has been
in the Charts for 953 Weeks, but this return to No.1, is its 1st Top 5 Week since
January 1982! It is only its 14th Top 5 Week. 'ABBA Gold' has had 29 Top 5 Weeks.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Jul 6, 2021 22:40:53 GMT
Judy Cramer was interviewed by Graham Norton this morning. She confirmed MM3 is in the works, despite Gorel Hanser ruling it out earlier in the year... Oh no, they are going to flog this thing to death. Why not stop while they're on a high. And where are the songs coming from? At this rate, they'll be resorting to "Watch Out" and "Man In The Middle". OK, perhaps an exaggeration, but they've already used up virtually all of ABBA's singles and made a good dent in the better album tracks. I really hope that 'Under Attack' is included in Mamma Mia 3 as its in the stage show and I was surprised it didn't appear in Mamma Mia 2 I am assuming the title for Mamma Mia 3 will be How Can We Resist You |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 7, 2021 8:37:54 GMT
'Mamma Mia! 3' would really not have to struggle, to find 'New' ABBA Songs, to use. There are
still many Songs left. 'That's Me', 'Tiger', 'Arrival', 'One Man One Woman', 'Eagle', 'Move On',
'Hole In Your Soul', 'I'm A Marionette', 'As Good As New', 'Lovelight', 'If It Wasn't For The Nights',
'Kisses Of Fire', (done properly), 'On and On and On', 'Me & I', 'Happy New Year', 'The Piper',
'The Way Old Friends Do', 'Head Over Heels', 'Soldiers', 'I Let The Music Speak', 'Under Attack',
'Should I Laugh Or Cry', 'Like An Angel Passing through My Room' etc. (You can include any
ABBA Song in a Film, if you use imagination. It matters not what the Song is about).
Lily James was in Film 2, and now sees herself as some kind of 'Expert' on ABBA's Songs. It is
she, who has been telling the UK & World Media, that ABBA have, 'No unused songs left', so
there cannot be a 3rd Film. It seems that Lily, really only knows, the 19 Songs on 'Gold', and
(maybe), 8 to 10 Songs on 'More Gold', and she thinks that she knows everything that ABBA
Recorded! Hence why she thinks that there are Zero Songs left, for a 3rd Film. She is wrong.
I'm not saying that I like the 'Mamma Mia!' Films. I think that they are awful, but they do
Promote ABBA. I think that 'Muriel's Wedding', is by far, the best Film ever made, using
ABBA Music. I'd rather that was remade, than having a 3rd 'Mamma Mia!' Film. As it is,
Judy Craymer, has been saying - for Months - that she is writing a Script for a third 'MM!',
Film. It does not mean that such a Film will be made! She may be writing a Script, just in
Case, Benny & Bjorn decide to do a 3rd Film. She may also be trying to persuade them to
do Film 3, by presenting them with the Script for it. None of which means that the Film will
be made. We will see.
If it is made, we will have to see the 'Mamma Mia' Song, used again. You can't have a Film,
named after that Song, and then not include it, just because it was in Films 1 and 2. But,
there would be no need to re-use any other ABBA Songs. But - due to laziness and a lack
of imagination, we will most likely see 'Dancing Queen', included again. Maybe 'Waterloo'
too. There is not much real thought going into the 'MM!' Films, to be honest. The Scripts
are silly and lazy. The Plots are laughable. The 'Singing' is often, awful. But, People like
Judy Craymer, are seen by Benny and Bjorn, as some kind of 'Genius' Level 'Experts'.
They really are easily pleased! With their money, they could employ far better writers.
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Post by gamleman on Jul 7, 2021 16:22:57 GMT
Indeed, there are plenty of good songs left - most ABBA songs are more than good, after all. However, I'm not convinced about using them in a MM3 film. Firstly, there is the challenge of fitting them in with a story, although Bjorn could make lyric changes to achieve this. Secondly, since nearly all of ABBA's well-known hits have already been taken by the previous two films, there will be a lack of 'headliner' songs. I agree that the song Mamma Mia would have to be used again and they would undoubtedly re-use at least a couple of other songs, Dancing Queen and Waterloo being prime candidates. But I'm not sure that the lesser-known songs would draw people in. It's certainly a gamble. Of course, a MM3 film would be a way of exposing the general public to more of ABBA's repertoire, but they haven't shown much interest in ABBA's back-catalogue so far. I would expect people to be delving into ABBA's studio albums, but these albums have barely touched the UK charts since their initial release (despite the Deluxe re-issues). The public at large seem to have little interest in ABBA's music (actually performed by ABBA) beyond Gold and perhaps the long-awaited new songs. Not even More Gold did as well as we might have hoped.
I agree that Muriel's Wedding is an absolutely wonderful film and far far superior to Mamma Mia. I don't think I want to see it remade though - the only reason would be to incorporate more ABBA tracks (in their original form). I would like to see a stage-play of it - I don't think we have ever had one in the UK, although it may have been done in Australia.
EDIT: On reflection, I concede that a MM3 film might be viable if the makers are confident that the MM movies have a life of their own - that is, they have a fan-base that would make a third film a success irrespective of whether it features ABBA hits. In this case, people might go for more of the same (in terms of storyline and location) with just a fresh batch of songs (even though they wouldn't be new to us). Indeed, could we imagine a scenario in which B&B write new songs specially for a MM3 movie?
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 10, 2021 10:14:04 GMT
If a 3rd 'Mamma Mia!' Film is made, it will be really based on Box Office cash. Film 1 made $615.7M, (£446.68M).
The 2nd Film made $395M, (£286.55M). It is the thought of the Millions that a 3rd Film may/could make, that will
decide the matter. ABBA Fans have Zero say about it. The 3rd Film will be like the first 2 - a feeble Plot, with Actors
'Singing' ABBA Songs, when many of them cannot really Sing. At least the far superior 'Muriel's Wedding', used the
real ABBA Recordings. 'Bohemian Rhapsody' used real Queen Recordings. It made a lot more, than the 2 'Mamma Mia!'
Films. That 2018 Queen Film, made a huge $904.4M, (£656.08M). The 2019 film about Elton John - 'Rocketman' -
did not make as much, as the other 3 Films. It made $195.20M, (£140.29M). but, it 'only' cost $40M, (£28.74M), to make,
so it made a massive Profit of $155.20M, (£111.54M). A Biography Film is to be made about the Bee Gees, later in 2021.
Sadly, ABBA have said, that they will never have one made about them. I mean a proper one, with a big Cast, a big Budget,
and a big Production. It would have a huge effect on ABBA's Album Sales, all over the World. The Queen one is still raising
their Sales, and it came out over 2.5 Years ago!
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Post by jj on Jul 10, 2021 11:45:53 GMT
That 2018 Queen Film, made a huge $904.4M, (£656.08M). The 2019 film about Elton John - 'Rocketman' - did not make as much, as the other 3 Films. It made $195.20M, (£140.29M). but, it 'only' cost $40M, (£28.74M), to make, so it made a massive Profit of $155.20M, (£111.54M). A Biography Film is to be made about the Bee Gees, later in 2021.
ABBA's record sales are far behind those of Elton John, Queen and the Bee Gees, right? So these films will accelerate their sales, leaving ABBA further behind them.
While that's sad in a way, it doesn't diminish our enjoyment of ABBA's music, now, does it?
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jul 10, 2021 17:41:20 GMT
That 2018 Queen Film, made a huge $904.4M, (£656.08M). The 2019 film about Elton John - 'Rocketman' - did not make as much, as the other 3 Films. It made $195.20M, (£140.29M). but, it 'only' cost $40M, (£28.74M), to make, so it made a massive Profit of $155.20M, (£111.54M). A Biography Film is to be made about the Bee Gees, later in 2021.
ABBA's record sales are far behind those of Elton John, Queen and the Bee Gees, right? So these films will accelerate their sales, leaving ABBA further behind them.
While that's sad in a way, it doesn't diminish our enjoyment of ABBA's music, now, does it?
ABBA's Record Sales, are only behind the Bee Gees, if you add the 'Saturday Night Fever' Soundtrack, (1978),
to the Bee Gees Sales. We don't add those 40 Million Sales, in the UK, as the Soundtrack has 17 Songs on it,
but only 6 are performed by the Bee Gees. With a 7th and 8th written by them, for Yvonne Elliman and Tavares.
The other 9 Tracks are nothing to do with the Bee Gees. In the UK, it is seen as a Various Artists Film Soundtrack.
In the USA, and some other Countries, it is seen as a Bee Gees Album - which it is really not. Without the Sales of
'Saturday Night Fever', the Bee Gees are way behind ABBA, in Global Record Sales. They only ever spent 2 Weeks
at No.1, in the UK Album Chart. That was with 'Spirits Having Flown', in 1979. ABBA were No.1 for 57 Weeks, with
their 9 No.1 Albums. The Bee Gees Album was the 7th UK Best Seller of 1979. ABBA's 'Voulez-Vous' was 5th, and
'Greatest Hits Vol.2' was 8th - but 2nd or 3rd, when the last few Weeks of 1979 were added in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2021 9:51:13 GMT
Has anyone had any thoughts on how any physical releases (CD's etc) should be presented? No current group photo? like Gold? anyone have any preferences/ideas?
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Post by gary on Jul 15, 2021 11:21:40 GMT
Has anyone had any thoughts on how any physical releases (CD's etc) should be presented? No current group photo? like Gold? anyone have any preferences/ideas? Personally, I would quite like a current group photo. There’s no shame in looking older! |
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Post by justabba on Jul 15, 2021 11:42:02 GMT
I emailed Gorel in april and she wouldnt confirm if the new release will actually be on cd or vinyl ...
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Post by Michal on Jul 17, 2021 5:26:11 GMT
I emailed Gorel in april and she wouldnt confirm if the new release will actually be on cd or vinyl ... I'm quite sure Universal will try to make the most of it and the new songs will be available on both vinyl and CD. And actually I wouldn't be surprised if they were released in various "collector's" versions such as coloured vinyls or picture discs, even with variations of covers (like Queen's recent cassette reissues of Greatest Hits or Michael Jackson's Invincible album, or indeed Agnetha's When You Walk In The Room singles). I guess Görel won't confirm anything until it's officially announced. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Jul 17, 2021 10:50:19 GMT
The release formats will probably have more to do with Universal's ambitions than ABBA's. Queen have shown that multiple fan-baiting collectable formats is a route to chart success. Not saying that ABBA aren't interested in their comeback music being successful, but the marketing will be driven by the label. The possibilities are numerous - as Michal says, it could be picture disc(s), and/or coloured vinyl(s) and/or 7"/10"/12" vinyl(s), and/or cassette(s), and/or CD(s), and/or all formats in a glossy box set, DVD of the video, yada yada yada. All that alongside the digital release.
It'll be interesting to see how they approach the vinyl edition(s) in particular. Assuming they're both single-worthy, I imagine that ISHFIY and DSMD will be released separately. So I wonder whether the vinyl releases will be one-sided, or will if older tracks (hits) might be issued as B-sides?
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Post by gamleman on Jul 17, 2021 11:21:17 GMT
I agree that the physical formats of the releases will be dictated by the record company and whatever works well for them - that is, whichever way they can make the most money.
I doubt that both ISHFIY and DSMD will be released as singles. I think things have moved on since those two songs were announced. With up to five new songs to choose from, there may be better options as singles, although I am only expecting one single (if any). Originally, I think ISHFIY was probably intended as a single and I imagine DSMD was more of a track for the ABBAtars show - I see it as the final or penultimate song of the show.
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Post by justabba on Jul 17, 2021 14:09:45 GMT
I agree that the physical formats of the releases will be dictated by the record company and whatever works well for them - that is, whichever way they can make the most money. I doubt that both ISHFIY and DSMD will be released as singles. I think things have moved on since those two songs were announced. With up to five new songs to choose from, there may be better options as singles, although I am only expecting one single (if any). Originally, I think ISHFIY was probably intended as a single and I imagine DSMD was more of a track for the ABBAtars show - I see it as the final or penultimate song of the show. I agree better tracks may now exist although from everything I've read from those that have heard the songs "faith" seems something special. I would expect more than one single though. There is bound to be one when the show actually opens... |
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Post by bennybjorn on Jul 18, 2021 13:29:11 GMT
I agree that the physical formats of the releases will be dictated by the record company and whatever works well for them - that is, whichever way they can make the most money. I doubt that both ISHFIY and DSMD will be released as singles. I think things have moved on since those two songs were announced. With up to five new songs to choose from, there may be better options as singles, although I am only expecting one single (if any). Originally, I think ISHFIY was probably intended as a single and I imagine DSMD was more of a track for the ABBAtars show - I see it as the final or penultimate song of the show. I agree better tracks may now exist although from everything I've read from those that have heard the songs "faith" seems something special. I would expect more than one single though. There is bound to be one when the show actually opens... With up to five new songs? Bjorn confirmed there were five nearly two years ago. So I'd say there are at least five new songs to choose from. Come on - let's be optimistic here! |
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 18, 2021 14:30:18 GMT
Ok a word of caution for those wanting hit singles....
Firstly i hope that the release(s) will be massive on all formats , I really don't see the point otherwise, last roll of the dice to get a 10th plus number one single in the UK for instance.
Of course i guess we are all hoping for a new album... which i think we will get...
The caution bit... We have talked about EPs, personally i dont think this format will happen... however and yes not as popular now, The Spice Girls have just released an EP of Wannabee.. etc remixes early versions it has failed to hit the top 100 UK Single or albums charts.... and it was well hyped and published everywhere, sank without trace..
That said I cant see this happening with ABBA , the publicity will be huge.....but it will all be down to streaming for longevity in the charts, otherwise it could be in the charts at number 1 and disappear within a few weeks...
Interesting times are ahead.....
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Post by hejiranyc on Jul 18, 2021 17:33:00 GMT
Ok a word of caution for those wanting hit singles.... Firstly i hope that the release(s) will be massive on all formats , I really don't see the point otherwise, last roll of the dice to get a 10th plus number one single in the UK for instance. Of course i guess we are all hoping for a new album... which i think we will get... The caution bit... We have talked about EPs, personally i dont think this format will happen... however and yes not as popular now, The Spice Girls have just released an EP of Wannabee.. etc remixes early versions it has failed to hit the top 100 UK Single or albums charts.... and it was well hyped and published everywhere, sank without trace.. That said I cant see this happening with ABBA , the publicity will be huge.....but it will all be down to streaming for longevity in the charts, otherwise it could be in the charts at number 1 and disappear within a few weeks... Interesting times are ahead..... I can assure you that old people (ABBA's primary base) are not streaming. The new music will have to be released on some kind of physical medium in order to sustain any longevity. A CD release is a no-brainer. Ironically, I believe this new music would become their first new music ever to be released in CD format at inception. Their hiatus has essentially outlasted the CD era! |
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Post by Alan on Jul 18, 2021 17:46:10 GMT
Bit of an odd comparison there. Wannabe is 25 years old and anyone can hear that song anywhere. Only the superfans are going to be interested in new mixes.
There is apparently a delay on vinyl issues due to pressing plants being overloaded (there aren’t enough of them and interest in vinyl is rising all the time - sales are expected to overtake those of CD this year).
It would be commercial suicide for the record company not to issue this on CD as that’s the format of choice for much of ABBA’s audience. If it isn’t, I for one will only be listening to new ABBA music on YouTube (and if it’s not on there officially then they really will have lost the plot).
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 20, 2021 9:39:02 GMT
I guess my comparison was more to do with EPs rather than Spice Girls, that all said new material and it being Abba.. is radically different...
However it would seem a waste of the other tracks if all released on the same EP. it would be a one of purchase instead of 2, 3 or 4 solo tracks, so from a marketing view, financially much more lucrative....
I still see a new album of some sorts......
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Post by justabba on Jul 20, 2021 10:22:59 GMT
I guess my comparison was more to do with EPs rather than Spice Girls, that all said new material and it being Abba.. is radically different... However it would seem a waste of the other tracks if all released on the same EP. it would be a one of purchase instead of 2, 3 or 4 solo tracks, so from a marketing view, financially much more lucrative.... I still see a new album of some sorts...... I think an EP is a very unlikely scenario. As you say, universal will want maximum sales opportunity for the 2/3/5/whatever number of songs |
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Post by jj on Jul 21, 2021 11:56:16 GMT
In just over a week it'll be August.
The most we need to wait for the new song(s) is 5 months (at the latest), but there's a good chance it'll be a lot sooner than that.
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 21, 2021 16:45:16 GMT
Anyone know how far along we are on that " Countdown " as it could be pointer to the new stuff once all are played ?
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Post by justabba on Jul 21, 2021 16:50:14 GMT
Anyone know how far along we are on that " Countdown " as it could be pointer to the new stuff once all are played ? Chiquitita today. By my reckoning last track will be August 29th. |
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Post by Alan on Jul 21, 2021 18:13:21 GMT
My impression is that they will make some sort of an announcement once the daily Instagram abba journey finishes. Thats apparently due to end on August 12th. A bit earlier than 29 August! |
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Post by justabba on Jul 21, 2021 18:43:02 GMT
My impression is that they will make some sort of an announcement once the daily Instagram abba journey finishes. Thats apparently due to end on August 12th. A bit earlier than 29 August! You have a long memory Alan! I was quoting a German newspaper article at the time, but now I've worked it out for myself itll actually be around 29th August. Super trouper album should commence around 2nd August, followed by the visitors and the 5 released tracks from 1982. |
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 22, 2021 8:24:51 GMT
Ok thanks... so possibly early September... an announcement ? sounds possible doesn't it !!!
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Post by justabba on Jul 30, 2021 5:23:35 GMT
Latest rumour. New single Friday 3rd September followed by new album/EP in October. No source was quoted, however.
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Post by jj on Jul 30, 2021 5:56:56 GMT
The thing you always need to do when you post info like this is to let everyone know where you heard or read it.
Everyone of course immediately wants to know who said it or where this info appeared. After all, someone actually told you this or you actually heard or read about it somewhere, right?
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