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Post by steverw on Nov 14, 2021 23:21:50 GMT
What about No Doubt About It as a single? Someone (I think it was HOMETIME ) mentioned that this sounds like it could have been on Frida’s Shine album as a second Björn and Benny composition. The review on Super Deluxe Edition sticks in my mind: “ ‘No Doubt About It’ doesn’t put a foot wrong although it’s hard not to notice that the woman is taking the blame again [Cf. ‘I Can Be That Woman’] (“Björn, take a seat on the psychologist’s couch…”).” Shine featured Kirsty MacColl as another poster mentioned similarities between NDAI yo Kirsty's style. I always thought Shine was an album ahead of its time and Come To Me I am woman is one of the best songs in Frida's career.
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Post by pixi on Nov 14, 2021 23:44:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 23:50:23 GMT
I am a tad disappointed. When ABBA's new album was released we were all very excited to receive our copy and give it a spin and our overall reaction was positive. Now there seems to be a rift in the ranks I don't know why. Personally I find nothing wrong with KAEOD or WYDWM which are very good songs as all on " Voyage " Let's be grateful ABBA fulfilled their promise to all us fans with brand new material. A year ago I would never have thought it possible and was giving up on all the speculation and rumours. My main concern now is that Adele doesn't knock ABBA off the top spot on Friday. My comments may not be as intectually gifted but I wouldn't mind a little support and encouragement from my fellow ABBA fans. Although I have re-joined the forum I still feel as if I am floating on my own little island.
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Post by gerard on Nov 15, 2021 0:12:10 GMT
I think there is a lot more going on in the background of KAEOD than WYDWM. NDAI reminds me of Kirsty McColl's music. Think 'I could be that woman' could be big on the country chart. Love all the bendy sounds going on in Dan. Do you really think country music radio stations, especially in the US, will play 'I Could Be That Woman', given the use of 'screw you' in the lyrics, and the general uncomfortable nature of the subject matter? I hope they do, as it's a great 'country' song, but such stations and their listeners can be quite conservative.
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Post by joseph on Nov 15, 2021 0:15:25 GMT
As far as a new single is concerned...God, I don't know. Haven't the foggiest. Which track? Does there need to be one? How does it even work? Isn't it likely to have only moderate success with the album readily available? Perhaps a new single pushes sales? It's so different now. I'm really not sure of the mechanics surrounding promotion these days.
One thing I'd like...some videos! That'd be cool. OK, so the AꓭBAtars are being pretty much kept under wraps for the Voyage concert but how about a cute animated concept for Little Things? Or would that just add to the tweeness?
Answers on a postcard.
*Don't know what that expression even means! 😆 )
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Post by Alan on Nov 15, 2021 0:19:39 GMT
@eddie, Adele’s album isn’t out until this coming Friday. I don’t think there’s any major competition in the current week other than perhaps Ed Sheeran reclaiming the top spot, but that would be a tall order.
Also, you have to understand that it’s perfectly OK for people to express views on songs that might be contrary to your own. Some of us were less than enthusiastic about Just A Notion or Little Things, for example, but it doesn’t mean we don’t like the album as a whole. The forum is here for members to discuss these things, not for us all to say, “every song ABBA has ever done is perfect”. It wouldn’t make much of an interesting conversation if we did!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 0:28:24 GMT
Good news about ABBA getting to #2 in the US ...and #1 on the actual sales.
Previously, they never even had a Top 10 album.
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Post by jj on Nov 15, 2021 6:13:46 GMT
Nice interview with Benny here:
Sorry if it was posted before.
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Post by JeniLP on Nov 15, 2021 6:33:27 GMT
One thing I'd like...some videos! That'd be cool. OK, so the AꓭBAtars are being pretty much kept under wraps for the Voyage concert but how about a cute animated concept for Little Things? Or would that just add to the tweeness? Answers on a postcard. Videos would be really wished-for, but as it's all about abbatars now the possible next video (for the next single) will be reasonable to release closer to the shows. So, is it necessary to release the 4th single right before Christmas? Or, there may be something absolutely special on the way that we cannot imagine.
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Post by jj on Nov 15, 2021 6:43:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 7:28:00 GMT
...you have to understand that it’s perfectly OK for people to express views on songs that might be contrary to your own. Some of us were less than enthusiastic about Just A Notion or Little Things, for example, but it doesn’t mean we don’t like the album as a whole. The forum is here for members to discuss these things, not for us all to say, “every song ABBA has ever done is perfect”. It wouldn’t make much of an interesting conversation if we did! Totally agree. Some fans just can't accept any criticism of ABBA songs. Personally, I said I would be happy if there were 7 songs I liked on Voyage. There are. I have never liked all ABBA songs. There's also fans who after 40 years and a new album just want another album or a new songs added to a deluxe edition. Just be happy for the new album! ABBA fans can be a funny lot!!
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Post by JeniLP on Nov 15, 2021 7:54:36 GMT
ABBA fans can be a funny lot!! Like with any other artist, believe me
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Post by steverw on Nov 15, 2021 8:00:57 GMT
...you have to understand that it’s perfectly OK for people to express views on songs that might be contrary to your own. Some of us were less than enthusiastic about Just A Notion or Little Things, for example, but it doesn’t mean we don’t like the album as a whole. The forum is here for members to discuss these things, not for us all to say, “every song ABBA has ever done is perfect”. It wouldn’t make much of an interesting conversation if we did! Totally agree. Some fans just can't accept any criticism of ABBA songs. Personally, I said I would be happy if there were 7 songs I liked on Voyage. There are. I have never liked all ABBA songs. There's also fans who after 40 years and a new album just want another album or a new songs added to a deluxe edition. Just be happy for the new album! ABBA fans can be a funny lot!! Most fans, like myself, often don't resonate with a particular song. I'm going to be sacrilegious and say I am not fond of Dancing Queen at all! Do I think it's a bad song? No. Do ABBA fans think the songs they don't like are bad songs? highly doubtful. Even ABBA's "unliked" songs are mostly better than anything else, but sometimes it is just hard to relate to them. As much as people like If It wasn't For the Nights, I don't really care too much for that one, yet many say it should have been a single. Will KAEOD be a single? Who knows. Will it chart? Who knows. What we do know though is everyone will have their favourites and preferences. No point getting agitated by that. I'm one of those fans who would like another album - the mythical Opus 10 to round it all off - but I accept it is unlikely to happen so won't go on about it. I also do not want extra songs added to voyage further down the line because I would feel cheated. Why couldn't they add them on when it was released? I don't like having to buy albums twice.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 15, 2021 8:41:35 GMT
It's sad that Eddie left but I have my fingers crossed that he'll return. He has been brave in telling us of the difficulties he faces and how they affect his ability to manage things in an environment like this. I have my fingers crossed that he'll return (I hope he's reading). He knows that we're all bound to have differing opinions - he has said before that he understands that - and I wonder if things might just have gotten a little too much for him? I hope he's doing well and that he'll rethink his decision to leave.
As for KAEOD, I stand by my view of it. My view doesn't make it a good or bad single: I can't stand Thank You For The Music and look how popular that is! I personally wouldn't pick Dan as a single. But that's kind of irrelevant. Anything issued as a "single" now will be something the PR team tries to get radio stations to play as a means of refreshing interest in the album. It's not for the singles chart - it's to keep the album buoyant.
I'll use Alison Moyet as an example: when her album The Minutes came out, it was seen as a bit of a comeback (it wasn't, but no matter). She and her team had chosen a lead single. It was brilliant, a perfect ambassador for the album. But BBC Radio 2, having been given an advance listen to the album, wanted a different song. A great song, but not necessarily representative of the album. They said they'd play their favourite, not Alison's. And so it was that the biggest radio station in Europe dictated which single came out first. It was playlisted. The album went Top 5. The preferred single eventually came out but wasn't playlisted.
So my guess is that another "single" might be chosen on what a station like Radio 2 says. Not saying that ABBA will be dictated to, but stations will only play what they want to. Maybe the rumour is based on something someone heard from a radio station...? Maybe KAEOD has fans among the DJs?
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 15, 2021 9:06:05 GMT
Nice interview with Benny here:
Sorry if it was posted before.
That's a great interview, jj - I hadn't seen that before. It's nice to hear Benny open up a bit. The interviewer was good too: I'd love it if she got to interview the others as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 9:46:30 GMT
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I would too feel cheated if extra tracks were added to Voyage in a few months time. It would just seem a rip off.
If there were to be new songs - and I don't expect there to be, then they should be stand alobe singles or an EP - not added to an album you already bought!
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Post by jj on Nov 15, 2021 10:19:57 GMT
Nice interview with Benny here:
Sorry if it was posted before.
That's a great interview, jj - I hadn't seen that before. It's nice to hear Benny open up a bit. The interviewer was good too: I'd love it if she got to interview the others as well.
"Jesus Christ, we're seventy-five!" haha
A bit defensive there, near the end, our old Benny!
Quite a thoughtful few comments there, yes, especially about having been part of one of the world's biggest groups, and of how their shared experience of being in that pressure-cooker atmosphere at the summit of pop music, being as popular as they were worldwide, made it so much easier for each member to identify with the three others, even after nearly four decades. Like a kind of friendship forged by soldiers who fought together, each one of them knowing exactly what it was like, though it's something that's impossible to communicate to anyone else.
Only the ABBA members knew what it was like "being ABBA" back then, and that experience has ended up being a lifelong bond. No words necessary. They only need glance at each other's face whenever they meet and they realise "This person and the other three are the only people who actually know how it was." It's being a member of one of the world's smallest and most exclusive clubs, for better or worse.
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Post by Alan on Nov 15, 2021 10:32:05 GMT
I’m sorry that Eddie left again. Deleting your profile is so drastic, it’s a pity the option is there (though I don’t have it myself anymore). A cooling-off period, or even just a break from the forum, might be all that’s needed in some cases. Similar with Barry (thisboycries), I was hoping he was back for the long-haul and not just a flying visit. Oh well. Hopefully Eddie will come back again when he’s able to.
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Post by gamleman on Nov 15, 2021 10:34:00 GMT
I also hope they don't re-issue "Voyage" with bonus tracks. Firstly, it would spoil the way OTF marks the end of the album. Secondly, I don't want to have to buy the album again - I think that Universal have already over-milked the fans with the multitude of editions of this album already issued. I doubt that they will release any further new tracks in the form of singles or EPs - more likely in the form of an 'ABBAtars' album or a retrospective album, if at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 11:14:23 GMT
I was wondering what they are singing in the picture in the middle of the lyrics sheet of the cd? Could this be a video for Little Things?! An abbatar video for that wouldn't spoil anything as we have already seen snippets of them anyway and would help both single and album sales nearer the festive season.
Regarding likes/dislikes, even Benny has said that there are only, i think it was, about 20 songs that he thinks are good!! I have to completely disagree with him there lol!
I am absolutely thrilled with this album, it has exceeded my expectations. And for it to get to number 1 is the icing on the cake! In the Benny interview posted earlier, I get a sneaky impression we may well hear those 2 other songs at some point! I still think an EP in spring would be great! But whatever happens, or doesn't happen, as i've said before, ABBA didn't have to make an album, but they did and for that I feel truly thankful and blessed to have been around to have experienced it.
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Post by mjc on Nov 15, 2021 11:49:49 GMT
The interview with German TV is fantastic. The interviewer is calm, friendly and asks interesting questions. Benny is relaxed and enjoys the time with her.
I find that when ABBA are interviewed like this in English (or in Swedish, which always seems calm anyway) we learn more.
I would far rather listen to a lengthy interview in Swedish with the members (particularly Agnetha who is maybe not so spontaneous in English) because they are fully at home in the language and the interviewers approach them without too much awe and very little drama.
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Post by sikejsudjek on Nov 15, 2021 12:29:00 GMT
Abba are like Queen in that they use multiple genres - but its the distinctive sound of the band that allows it to work so well. In ABBA's case it was the vocals, in Queen's it was Brian May's guitar and Freddies vocals. Its unlikely that many people will love all their songs for this reason - but on the plus side you don't end up with what Adele does ! If you don't like one Adele song you probably won't much like the rest of them either ! In the 70's it was Status Quo who were renowned for sticking to one genre (cynics might say it was almost the same song over and over again !).
Most ABBA albums there is a track or two I don't like, but on this album I like them all. I have no idea what should be another single.
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Post by Alan on Nov 15, 2021 13:18:25 GMT
I would too feel cheated if extra tracks were added to Voyage in a few months time. It would just seem a rip off. If there were to be new songs - and I don't expect there to be, then they should be stand alobe singles or an EP - not added to an album you already bought! It’s the norm these days though. Albums are either issued in simultaneous deluxe editions with bonus tracks that would have been b-sides previously, or they’re re-issued within a year with new tracks. It’s not like ABBA haven’t been doing this for the last 25 years - various remasters with bonus tracks has resulted in many of us owning the albums several times over. I suppose the difference this time is that it’s been released in 23 different editions to start with. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want or expect more from ABBA. It doesn’t mean we don’t enjoy the album as it is though. As for bonus tracks spoiling the impact of Ode to Freedom, well, that was done to Arrival, The Album, Super Trouper and The Visitors (and all the other albums). Not ideal, but the way it is.
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Post by justabba on Nov 15, 2021 13:24:02 GMT
Im hearing entry at 2 for Canada!
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Post by Alan on Nov 15, 2021 13:26:51 GMT
I was wondering what they are singing in the picture in the middle of the lyrics sheet of the cd? I think it says somewhere (possibly on the back of the postcard in the vinyl editions) that this photo dates from 2017, in which case it could only be I Still Have Faith In You or Don’t Shut Me Down. However, it’s a posed photo so possibly they aren’t really singing anything. As they appear to have their motion capture helmets on, it’s possible they were rehearsing an older song that’s in the show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 13:27:23 GMT
Here we are talking about deluxe editions of an album just months after its release. I am not too sure if too many artists do that.
As for deluxe editions of ABBA's studio albums that was many years after their release. They were taking advantage of the switch from vinyl to CD - as most fans had not bought album on CD.
The circumstances are different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2021 13:29:04 GMT
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Post by Alan on Nov 15, 2021 13:30:14 GMT
Here we are talking about deluxe editions of an album just months after its release. I am not too sure if too many artists do that. I’m afraid they do… Kylie has just done it. The original deluxe edition of Disco now has an extra disc of newly-recorded duets. This is the norm, unfortunately. Make people buy an album again to get the extras.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 15, 2021 15:13:17 GMT
The deluxe edition phenomenon has been going for years. I heard that it was first done with the Christmas market in mind, encouraging people to buy the deluxe edition CDs as gifts. Some people stream albums and hold out for the expanded editions: that's what I did for my favourite album of last year, Jessie Ware's sublime "What's Your Pleasure." The deluxe edition came with 8 bonus tracks that matched the parent album for quality.
I read that the new Steps album started life as a bunch of tracks to add to their "What The Future Holds" album, but they had so many tracks they liked that they ended up with a whole new album and called it "What The Future Holds Pt. 2."
I suspect it'd be a bit of a stretch to hope that we could get a complete new album, but a couple of new songs with maybe a remix or two from Voyage might make a nice EP... or an expanded reissue. As long as they don't issue eleventy bajillion separate editions it mightn't be too bad?
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Post by richard on Nov 15, 2021 16:41:06 GMT
Surprised to read that Eddie has cancelled his membership again. Hope he might be reading this because someone's mental wellbeing is more important - yes, even more than opinions about an ABBA song or album. When my sister - now dead - developed mental problems following a brain operation, she was told she was 'lacking insight' into her illness. I'm revealing this to ask Eddie - should he be reading this - how much insight he has regarding his acute sensitivity to views that don't coincide, exactly, with his own? This problem will recur, again and again, unless he learns to shrug his shoulders, and not regard different opinions as some sort of slight to him. Total validation of one's views, even on an ABBA forum, is simply not on. (So I'm not alone in my in my lack of total enthusiasm for Dancing Queen. Thanks for that! ) Sorry for such a post, but it might help a bit.
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