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Post by lamont on Jun 2, 2022 21:49:27 GMT
As someone noted earlier, a mistake not selling the CD at the show.
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Post by bennybjorn on Jun 2, 2022 22:06:33 GMT
As someone noted earlier, a mistake not selling the CD at the show. Indeed - but perhaps a mistake that can be rectified? |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 3, 2022 2:20:45 GMT
On The Official Charts Site, they only show the Monday Mid Week Charts - Top 100 Singles & Albums.
They do not show the Wednesday Mid Week Top 40's. This Week there has been Tuesday Mid Week
Charts, but that is a 'Bonus', There are usually Zero Mid Week Charts on Tuesday. Or on Thursdays.
On a few UK Chart Sites, you can see the Wednesday Mid Week Top 40's. (Plus the Tuesday ones, if
The OCC release them - via 'Music Week').
Really, ABBA should be Selling 'Voyage', 'ABBA Gold', and other ABBA Albums, at the Voyage Venue.
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Post by madonnabba on Jun 3, 2022 5:56:17 GMT
Can't believe they are not selling the album at the venue. People on hearing the new songs may have an impulse buy which may pass once they have left the venue. But would the sales count towards chart positions? Heard No doubt about it and Dancing Queen on Eastenders last night...the episode with Camilla and Prince Charles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2022 6:03:10 GMT
Sales from concert venues and theatres do count towards the charts but I don't know how the process works.
Yeah really a missed opportunity not to sell ABBA albums at the Voyage venue. Of the 21,000 seeing the show every week there will be some, may be a few thousand, who haven't got the album
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on Jun 3, 2022 8:01:51 GMT
Someone on the BBC TV show EastEnders is a huge ABBA fan as I heard 'No Doubt About It' played again on last nights episode in previous episodes 'Just A Notion', 'I Can Be That Woman', 'Don't Shut Me Down' & 'When You Danced With Me' have been heard.
Coronation Street a few months ago played 'Keep An Eye on Dan' its nice to hear ABBA's music appear in UK TV shows.
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Post by bennybjorn on Jun 3, 2022 8:55:45 GMT
Someone on the BBC TV show EastEnders is a huge ABBA fan as I heard 'No Doubt About It' played again on last nights episode in previous episodes 'Just A Notion', 'I Can Be That Woman', 'Don't Shut Me Down' & 'When You Danced With Me' have been heard. Coronation Street a few months ago played 'Keep An Eye on Dan' its nice to hear ABBA's music appear in UK TV shows. Good stuff. Even though No Doubt didn't seem to reignite the album's fortunes, I think it was still worth releasing as it received decent airplay and is therefore now another song that many people (beyond the immediate fanbase) are now familiar with it. I'd love to see it added to the Voyage shows. |
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Post by Lizzy on Jun 3, 2022 18:27:55 GMT
Voyage #53 in the album chart, Abba gold #9.
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Post by Michel on Jun 3, 2022 19:15:27 GMT
Voyage re-enters the Dutch album chart at #30 in its 20th week. Voulez-Vous is also back in at #87 and the Album Box Set enters at #68. 
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Jun 4, 2022 6:22:04 GMT
As Lizzy says in hr Post - 'ABBA Gold' is at No.9, in the latest UK Album Chart, (W/E 9th June),
and 'Voyage' is a Re-Entry at No.53.
'ABBA Gold' is up from No.17 to No.9. 'Voyage' is up from No.109 to No.53.
'ABBA Gold' sold 5,110 to rise to No.9. 'Voyage' sold 1,921 to rise to No.53.
Both Albums would certainly be Selling even better, if only ABBA would Sell them
at the Voyage Venue...
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Post by Michal on Jun 4, 2022 6:46:10 GMT
Both Albums would certainly be Selling even better, if only ABBA would Sell them at the Voyage Venue... Maybe not at this early stage. I think the majority of the people who attend the concerts now are hard core fans, who already have the album. But later, when more casual fans start to come, it would be a good idea to have the albums for sale at the hall. However, it would be great if the red limited concert edition of the LP was available there. |
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Post by gamleman on Jun 4, 2022 8:26:43 GMT
I wrote this before reading Michal's post, which I sort of echo...
Perhaps not selling the Voyage and Gold albums at the show is a tactic to get people to buy the more lucrative box-sets (I assume they are available there). Once the stock of box-sets depletes and they get more casual fans in, as opposed to the more dedicated early birds, perhaps they will start to sell Voyage and Gold.
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Post by Alan on Jun 4, 2022 13:00:28 GMT
Perhaps not selling the Voyage and Gold albums at the show is a tactic to get people to buy the more lucrative box-sets (I assume they are available there). Once the stock of box-sets depletes and they get more casual fans in, as opposed to the more dedicated early birds, perhaps they will start to sell Voyage and Gold. It doesn’t seem to be the “done thing” to sell music at such stalls. I saw Pet Shop Boys the day before Voyage. Merchandise there was similar, and not a CD or vinyl in sight. It could be a rights thing. The Voyage merchandise at the venue seems to be being sold by a company called Sandbag Ltd, based in Reading. The merchandise itself is copyrighted to Polar Music International AB. The rights to the Voyage album are owned by ABBA, via their new company, 1221 AB, which is then licensed to Polar. In theory ABBA could block sales of the Voyage album this way, if they weren’t getting a decent return, and if it wasn’t included in the licensing agreement. Or perhaps the Sandbag contract simply doesn’t include music. |
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Post by Tina T on Jun 4, 2022 13:07:11 GMT
If people at the show haven’t bought Voyage and want it, they can download it within 2 minutes.
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Post by gamleman on Jun 4, 2022 16:32:20 GMT
Perhaps not selling the Voyage and Gold albums at the show is a tactic to get people to buy the more lucrative box-sets (I assume they are available there). Once the stock of box-sets depletes and they get more casual fans in, as opposed to the more dedicated early birds, perhaps they will start to sell Voyage and Gold. It doesn’t seem to be the “done thing” to sell music at such stalls. I saw Pet Shop Boys the day before Voyage. Merchandise there was similar, and not a CD or vinyl in sight. It could be a rights thing. The Voyage merchandise at the venue seems to be being sold by a company called Sandbag Ltd, based in Reading. The merchandise itself is copyrighted to Polar Music International AB. The rights to the Voyage album are owned by ABBA, via their new company, 1221 AB, which is then licensed to Polar. In theory ABBA could block sales of the Voyage album this way, if they weren’t getting a decent return, and if it wasn’t included in the licensing agreement. Or perhaps the Sandbag contract simply doesn’t include music. I can't believe that some contractual issue would prevent them from selling ABBA albums at the show. So far, the whole comeback has been co-ordinated - the Voyage album came out of the ABBAtars project and, despite being a rather messy marketing strategy, the album and show were given the same name. So far, everything has been geared to work together, so I can't imagine this being a legal issue. Going back to the posts about ABBA tracks featuring in the background on Eastenders and Coronation Street this week, what ABBA need to do to get another Top 10 single is to get one of their songs featured on a new TV series that young people watch. Kate Bush's "Running Up That Hill" has just returned to the UK chart at No 8 and to No 2 in Australia having been featured in the Netflix series "Stranger Things". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 8:34:01 GMT
If people at the show haven’t bought Voyage and want it, they can download it within 2 minutes. True. But you'd probably get more impulse sales if people could see physical copies. And of course most ABBA fans have physical copies of Voyage rather than downloaded or streamed. At the end of the day, most people who want Voyage have already bought it. Sales in the venue would not have added significantly to Voyage's sales. |
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Post by HOMETIME on Jun 5, 2022 17:44:26 GMT
Stumbled upon this on Twitter just now: looks like an a sneaky pic from someone assisting on the photoshoot.  |
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Post by Alan on Jun 5, 2022 22:07:32 GMT
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Post by HOMETIME on Jun 6, 2022 9:45:32 GMT
Thanks for that, Alan.
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Post by bennybjorn on Jun 6, 2022 19:53:22 GMT
If people at the show haven’t bought Voyage and want it, they can download it within 2 minutes. True. But you'd probably get more impulse sales if people could see physical copies. And of course most ABBA fans have physical copies of Voyage rather than downloaded or streamed. At the end of the day, most people who want Voyage have already bought it. Sales in the venue would not have added significantly to Voyage's sales.If the Voyage singles had received saturation airplay, you'd have been right. But they didn't. They only really got played by one station, Radio 2, which meant they only just scraped into the lower end of the airplay chart. There are millions of people who bought Abba Gold and have hardly heard any of the new songs. Some friends of mine (a group of about 8) often go to shows together, they've all got Abba Gold, they've been to all the Mamma Mia's but they've hardly heard anything about Voyage, and some of them would definitely buy it if they'd heard a bit of it, and hearing the songs at the Voyage concert will do just that. So, my hunch is that Voyage will probably now stick around in the chart going forward. Not massive sales but still remaining in the top 100. But I could well be wrong... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 20:45:44 GMT
There are different levels of fans. The people who have mainly just Gold and seen the Mamma Mia films are numerous but casual fans. They aren't that interested in Voyage. Peopke know ABBA released Voyage last year. The first two singles got a lot of media attention.
The hardcore fans have bought the Voyage album. Voyage could only re-enter at #53 last week. Yes, selling cds in the concert venue may add a thousand here or there every week but that's about it.
Having No Doubt About It A-listed on Radio 2 - Europe's biggest radio station didn't revive Voyage's fortunes and neither has the concert.
The Voyage album was of course a big success - just not and never was going to be on the scale of Mamma Mia films or ABBA Gold.
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Post by foreverfan on Jun 7, 2022 9:24:28 GMT
FYI...
It may be a one week wonder in the UK mid week top 100 Album charts , Voyage down to 68, from 28..not promising by the end of the week..
Gold continues to hold well at 9 , which beggars the question why change something that’s selling so well, so guessing we won’t see DSMD or ISHFIY added anytime soon...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 4:32:55 GMT
Or maybe that's the reason to add DSMD or ISHFIY to Gold, to promote those songs. Maybe around the time of the 50th anniversary of Waterloo in 2 years time....
I am not surprised there hasn't been a major revival for Voyage. Almost everyone who wants it, has it. Released seven months ago now, over half its sales in the first two weeks.
The Studio Albums has missed the main charts. But then we had something similar some years back - and with a more comprehensive bonus disc too.
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Post by gamleman on Jun 8, 2022 8:04:19 GMT
I can't imagine a great many people seeing the publicity for the Voyage show in the News and thinking I must buy their new album. A big resurgence of sales will require a new push specifically for the album, which I believe will come in November, in time for Christmas, possibly as a special edition of some sort. This will also encourage ticket sales for the show for 2023 (up to May?). You never know, there may be a bonus DVD featuring selected tracks from the show, as a taster. Oh, let's not revisit shoe-horning ISHFIY and DSMD onto Gold. For me, the idea is like scraping nails down a blackboard  |
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Post by jj on Jun 8, 2022 18:34:37 GMT
Interesting the fate of ABBA rivals Blondie and Fleetwood Mac.
Blondie are releasing a box-set including out-takes and unreleased studio sessions and demos which should thrill their hardcore fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 20:50:07 GMT
Positivity and realism about Voyage's album sales.
Positive...440,000 sales in UK. 2 million worldwide. In terms of pure sales 2nd best seller in 2021 on the UK...and the world!
Realism...it won't sell much more. No Doubt About It being A listed on Radio 2 didn't revive it. Nor the opening of the concert. Any extra sales will as Gamleman suggests require a publicity drive and deluxe edition.
The bix set wasn't expected to do well. We had one already which sold between 60k and 100k in the UK, which is good for a multi album set.
No negativity at all 😀
That Blondie boxset looks interesting. If you are going to gave one may as well have lots of unreleased stuff. The current ABBA box set has fewer tracks on the bonus disc than the previous box set.
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Post by undertheappletree on Jun 9, 2022 5:17:45 GMT
Interesting to read the threads above, and the News for Blondie fans! Today Abba Gold is Number 2 in the World! On iTunes Chart. Voyage' is Not in the list, Top 200. I wonder if it is time to release a Pinky & Perky' Version of Voyage' ? Older members may remember from their Childhood l say this because at the moment the ABBA Song Angel-Eyes is doing very well on the Streaming platforms Worldwide; with the same treatment Lol But seriously, l think Voyage' has performed very well sales wise, 440,000,in UK so far and counting, not forgetting it was number one in so many Countries. But the Golden Egg is undoubtedly 'Abba Gold' In the Top Ten UK yet again. No need for the 2 main singles from Voyage' to be included. I am also Perplexed, at there not being any Abba CD/Vinyl material available at the Voyage' Shows, They could also have some of the ABBA Museum merchandise for sale there also, it's all very good having online stores, but postage is getting ridiculous, especially with exports and imports with UK because of Brexit |
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Post by gamleman on Jun 9, 2022 8:02:36 GMT
I do indeed remember Pinky & Perky - probably the earliest 'Pop programme' on TV that I watched as a child. I'm not sure that "Angeleyes" is quite Pinky & Perky but "You Owe Me One" and "I Am The City" are getting there I think they have moved away from that extreme with the "Voyage" album though, especially with A&F's voices being more mature. I came across this promotional clip for B&B's new musical "Pippi på cirkus" yesterday. The song in the background is quite ABBA-like and some people on Facebook were asking whether A&F are singing (which I very much doubt)... https://www.tiktok.com/@pippi_pa_cirkus/video/7105770207058119941 |
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Post by undertheappletree on Jun 9, 2022 9:35:49 GMT
Gamelman, l was referring to a Tiktok clip of AE that has gone viral lol, it's been sped up, probably a bit more Perky than Pinky, though.
I was not meaning ABBA's Originals, although now when you mention 'you owe me one' that one is probably half way there.
The music from the Clip link you posted of pipa musical does sound abbafied and sounds a little like Agnetha, nice to see Bjorn dancing, looks really well.
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Post by gamleman on Jun 9, 2022 9:46:09 GMT
undertheappletree, Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick re "Angeleyes". I hadn't heard about the sped-up version. I'm not sure that I can distinguish between the voices of Pinky and Perky
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