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Post by foreverfan on Aug 7, 2022 9:54:35 GMT
Guest.. are you a informer insider or just having a guess like the rest of us... mind you you wouldn’t say if you actually know something on the inside.....?
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 7, 2022 10:01:43 GMT
As time is going by, I’m more inclined to think we won’t be getting a Deluxe, it’s nearly a year now and Voyage has disappeared from most national charts, ( UK months ago) so a revival would be tough, unless we get one of the new tracks as a single, which is looking unlikely as they failed to make the album in the first place, but all this speculation may be exactly what marketing want, but saying that again there are to few of us to really influence anything...
So I guess we wait for the inevitable Gold releases and various compilations... unless someone knows different and willing to spill the beans..lol....
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Post by scaramouche on Aug 7, 2022 11:08:54 GMT
I suspect the two additional tracks will be finished if they aren’t already. Benny hinted in an interview that it was ‘a lot of work’ for him, Agnetha and Frida didn’t rule anything out either.
However, if they are complete I don’t think they will be released until there is something to promote. The whole Voyage album release was to promote the concerts. We are only 3 months into the concert residency and ticket sales are good. I think anything new will only appear when they need to re promote the concert.
Abba still have a great profile, articles, great word of mouth, posters on the tube etc. If we get any further new tracks, I think they are at least a year away.
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Post by bennybjorn on Aug 8, 2022 12:26:31 GMT
As time is going by, I’m more inclined to think we won’t be getting a Deluxe, it’s nearly a year now and Voyage has disappeared from most national charts, ( UK months ago) so a revival would be tough, unless we get one of the new tracks as a single, which is looking unlikely as they failed to make the album in the first place, but all this speculation may be exactly what marketing want, but saying that again there are to few of us to really influence anything... So I guess we wait for the inevitable Gold releases and various compilations... unless someone knows different and willing to spill the beans..lol.... Voyage is still doing pretty well in the (UK) physical albums chart, currently at 34 It seems to track Abba Gold, currently at 35. I'm guessing it's the Voyage concerts that are behind most of the physical album sales. |
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 8, 2022 17:31:14 GMT
I’m not sure of figures for these physical charts, but I’m guessing they are very low, as you need only around 1000 to 1500 to actually reach the official UK top 100 Album charts Gold only sells on average 4000 a week and that’s Top 10.
Alas these “ other “ charts have very little value to stat books etc and as a guess Voyage is selling less than 500 copies a week and that’s from a population of 67 plus million... not great..
Perhaps Colin can enlighten us more....
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Post by Guest on Aug 8, 2022 20:12:52 GMT
Talking about sales: Are you aware that with 3000 people seeing Voyage, 1200 people seeing Mamma Mia and 800 attending Mamma Mia the Party at roughly 6 Events each per week, 1.5 Million Ticket buyers per year are drawn by ABBAs Music to London. Who else can do that  |
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Post by Alan on Aug 8, 2022 20:33:17 GMT
The very sad (but not unexpected) news of Olivia Newton-John’s passing reminds us just how lucky we all were to get Voyage. Younger than three members of ABBA, it could all have been so different.
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Post by HOMETIME on Aug 8, 2022 20:57:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 8:33:03 GMT
Forever Fan, you are spot on with sales.
Only 1000-1500 to get into Top 100.
Voyage probably only on about 500 copies a week now.
A Top 15 placing in Sales Chart might see an album scrape into Top 100. Voyage has dropped well down both Sales and Physical Charts.
I see no evidence whatsoever of the Voyage show helping with Voyage album sales or streaming for ISHFIY or DSMD.
Voyage the album I guess is on 450k in the UK. 400K last year and 50k this year. Most of this year's sales at the beginning.
The people who have gone so far to the show are I guess hardcore fans.
The more casual fans aren't that interested in ABBA's back catalogue or the Voyage album.
GOLD sold 6 million in the UK but More Gold only about 450k (about same as Voyage now).
Even with the Mamma Mia films people have streamed/downloaded the cast recordings rather than ABBA original album tracks featured in the movies. Sad but true.
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 9, 2022 9:20:45 GMT
Your right also Johnny regarding DSMD and ISHFIY, there appears to be no effect on the Album from the show, unless those 500 we talk about above , are influenced by that show.. possible..
Does any one know out of curiosity if the Voyage album is still being sold at the venue ? ( I know initially when I went it wasn’t ) As over the course of the week I’d imagine that’s where the bulk of sales would come from.
It would be interesting to know how many Voyage has sold so far if anyone knows ....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 9:48:52 GMT
Voyage is on about 450,000 in the UK. I haven't got the precise figure. By the end of March around 429k. Since then 1000-1200 a week and more recently sub 1000.
Globally just over 2 million. At the end of last year it was announced as 2nd Best Seller for 2021 with 2.05m sales. That included shipments and sales this year not much.
It is well down on previous ABBA studio albums - but that's the market nowadays. It was #1 in 17 or 18 countries.
Its sales almost exclsively in Western Europe. 450k in UK. I guess over 500k in Germany. Over 100k in France. Add maybe 200-300k for Scandinavia and Benelux. Outside Europe about 200k in USA. Only around 35K each in Australia and Japan.
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Post by richard on Aug 9, 2022 10:11:54 GMT
Those are some pretty striking points there, Johnny, regarding sales of the Voyage album; and they illustrate the varying degrees of interest in being a keen fan, a casual fan, and those who had their interest piqued for a little while because of the buzz surrounding 'ÀBBA's return'.
I had no idea, though, that after all this time sales for More Gold were incredibly, massively, less than Gold - as if from two different groups, and one much less liked - and that the Voyage album was on a par with More Gold's relatively modest sales.
But I assume such differences between a group's album sales aren't confined to ABBA, especially nowadays..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 15:10:49 GMT
Richard, sales of Gold far greater than More Gold everywhere not just in the UK.
The USA has the extreme differential
Gold 10 million plus
More Gold 150-200,000. US sales for Voyage around 200k.
Yep, in terms of sales Voyage is on a par with More Gold than Gold.
Different levels of fans. I've used the Pyramid comparison.
1. The tip. Hardcore fans like us who have all the albums, box sets, solo stuff etc
2. Floaters. Semi-serious or semi-casual. They have More Gold, the Voyage album and maybe some studio albums in the past.
3. The base/majority of Pyramid. Casual fans who only know ABBA through Gold or the Mamma Mia films.
It is indeed like that with most Acts. Though it has to be said ABBA has a very large set of Casual Fans going by the sales of Gold and Box Office for Mamma Mia.
But yes, the difference between the Big Hits of Gold and Minor Hits/Tracks of More Gold is very striking.
ABBA have taken huge risks throughout their career.
Eurovision. A very different sounding song with Waterloo.
Making Abba the Movie for cinema release
The release of GOLD, not really a "risk" as they had nothing to lose
The stage version of Mamma Mia. The film versions less of a risk given the success of the stage version.
An album after a 40 year break - that was a huge success.
Now the ABBAtars Concert. The Voyage concert will hope to attract casual ABBA (and theatre/music) fans. We will see in due course. It's a critical success whatever happens.
I take the point that the Voyage show is more like GOLD Greatest Hits than the Voyage album. But will it attract those Casual fans who paid a tenner - or less for Gold or a Mamma Mia cinema ticket? That is the dilemma when you have such a large set of Casual Fans against a much smaller set of other fans.
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Post by undertheappletree on Aug 10, 2022 5:01:12 GMT
I had to search for the track listing to More Abba Gold and looking at the list, it does have a lot of weaker songs, even B sides. I did buy it when it was first released, for ' I am the City', but a few of the songs on it do sound dated. It also includes two of my least favourites.
I know this album was deleted at an early Stage which should have been permanently imo, definitely not more Abba Gold, and a poor comparison when you think of all the other wonderful album tracks, which are less promoted. Of course not forgetting Abba had done extremely well with Greatest Hits compilations, long before the Arrival of the Gold Era.
On the subject of hit albums… With the sad news of the Passing of the beautiful soul, Olivia Newton John, currently there are over 18 albums of hers on the Worldwide iTunes Chart.
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Post by gazman on Aug 10, 2022 10:49:41 GMT
In answer to the question about whether the Voyage 'show edition' LP is still sold at the ABBA Arena - yes, it is.
When I was there a couple of weeks ago, I bought one - they had 4 copies on display.
They set the purchases at a maximum 2 per sale. I only wanted one.
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Post by lamont on Aug 10, 2022 10:52:13 GMT
I suspect the two additional tracks will be finished if they aren’t already. Benny hinted in an interview that it was ‘a lot of work’ for him, Agnetha and Frida didn’t rule anything out either. However, if they are complete I don’t think they will be released until there is something to promote. The whole Voyage album release was to promote the concerts. We are only 3 months into the concert residency and ticket sales are good. I think anything new will only appear when they need to re promote the concert. Abba still have a great profile, articles, great word of mouth, posters on the tube etc. If we get any further new tracks, I think they are at least a year away. Plus all the footage of abba being filmed waiting and hailing a taxi, must be for some sort of documentary, probably for TV broadcast (run up to Christmas sales) and then released onto DVD to coincide with Voyage Deluxe. |
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Post by pixi on Aug 13, 2022 23:06:56 GMT
 Just viewing 'FAITH' on youtube... isn't it just amazing! |
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Aug 17, 2022 9:53:53 GMT
I think that there will be further Promotions of the 'Voyage' Album, which has sold about
450,000 UK copies, so far.
At present the 'Voyage' Concerts are helping the Sales of 'ABBA Gold', the most. It has
now sold over 32 Million Globally. To W/E 18th August, it had sold just over 6,147,000
UK copies. So, this Week - W/E 25th August - it will go over 6,150,000 UK Sales, since
W/E 3rd October 1992.
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Post by bennybjorn on Aug 17, 2022 11:27:32 GMT
I think that there will be further Promotions of the 'Voyage' Album, which has sold about 450,000 UK copies, so far. At present the 'Voyage' Concerts are helping the Sales of 'ABBA Gold', the most. It has now sold over 32 Million Globally. To W/E 18th August, it had sold just over 6,147,000 UK copies. So, this Week - W/E 25th August - it will go over 6,150,000 UK Sales, since W/E 3rd October 1992. Interesting stuff, Only Abba. Any idea how well Gold was selling in the UK this time last year? Guessing it wasn't in the top 10, and maybe not even the top 20. Just trying to work out the difference that the Voyage concerts are making to its sales. Thanks. |
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Post by madonnabba on Aug 17, 2022 13:18:49 GMT
About a year ago in the UK Gold was hovering between the low teens and low twenties. If you go into the UK album chart site and scroll down to see Gold press the + to the right and it will show all the positions over the years. Click on one it should give you a drop down of the chart date. If you press it it should show you the whole chart for that date. You can do that with all their albums and singles going right back to the seventies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 15:31:24 GMT
www.officialcharts.com/artist/8604/abba/ABBA charts This time last year GOLD was about #20. It jumped to #5 after release of 2 Voyage singles in last September. 2 July 2021- 1,000 weeks in chart. 5.61m Pure Sales 21 November 2021 - platinum x 20 (includes stream equivalent sales) ie 6,000,000 Now: 6.150,000. I expect Pure Sales a bit under 5.7 million and Streaming equivalent a bit over 450k
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 18:08:14 GMT
I think that there will be further Promotions of the 'Voyage' Album, which has sold about 450,000 UK copies, so far. Why do you think there will be more promotions for the Voyage album - and when? I am not expecting any. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 18, 2022 0:17:49 GMT
Hi, I'm new to this board, so I'm sorry if this already came up... But I was wondering if anyone knows if the Voyage show they're doing now is going to stream online anywhere, or be on a network show. I can't find anything about that anywhere!
Thanks if anyone knows anything.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 6:42:13 GMT
No. They want people to go to the show.
Maybe at some point there will be a dvd or a stream version but not until people have paid big bucks to see it live.
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Post by Henry on Aug 18, 2022 14:56:26 GMT
The voyage album didn't benefit from the show but Gold did. They are leaving the voyage album area and focus on Gold and the show. Most of the show is a greatest hits compilation. .....and Voyage is ok but not a great album anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 15:06:09 GMT
I agree. The Voyage album is not great. The first two singles ISHFIY and DSMD are great. I think Ode to Freedomm and No Doubt About It pretty good. The rest is a bit dull, imo.
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Post by justabba on Aug 18, 2022 15:20:17 GMT
When you danced with me and keep an eye on Dan are great tracks. Nothing dull about them for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 16:27:08 GMT
Whenever I've read reviews or rankings about fan favourites from Voyage you can make 3 generalisations.
1. Don't Shut Me Down is almost universally everyone's favourite track
2. I Still Have Faith in You is usually highly ranked/rated.
3. Little Things is generally the least popular
Beyond that there's no consensus.
The Voyage show only has 2 Voyage songs in it - and there has been no revival for the album. It's clear everyone who wants it basically has it now.
It was released 9 and a half months ago with UK sales of 450k. Almost half within first week. In 8 weeks it sold 400k. In almost 8 months this year 50k.
A bit of interest when the show opened and the Voyage album re-entered the chart but no major comeback.
I also think it probably ranks mid table-ish in fans' list of favourite ABBA studio albums.
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Post by welshboy on Aug 18, 2022 18:19:52 GMT
Well I for one Love the Voyage Album and played it maybe once a week since I got it on Nov 5th. I don't think their is a poor track on the Album. Yes I don't think anything can beat the The Visitors. But for me Voyage is in my top three Albums.
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Post by Michal on Aug 18, 2022 18:49:33 GMT
I also think it probably ranks mid table-ish in fans' list of favourite ABBA studio albums. It's true that Voyage is somewhere in the middle of the list of my favourite ABBA albums. However the reason is not that it's not good but that the original ABBA albums are great. I like Voyage much and since its release it is my most often played ABBA album (probably for the novelty feeling). It can never beat The Album or Arrival though. |
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