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Post by foreverfan on Nov 1, 2024 18:38:31 GMT
From UKMIX... Sales of 6099 " sales " Album has rare and unreleased tracks ??
ABBA’s Gold: Greatest Hits suffers collateral damage from the release of The Singles: The First Ten Years, with the latter set stealing all of the former’s streaming points, leaving it with just pure sales of 325 this week – a 91.98% dip in theoretical consumption which sees it fall from No.23 to a position way outside the Top 200. It thus ends a run of 200 consecutive weeks in the Top 40, 356 consecutive weeks in the Top 75, and 526 consecutive weeks – a tad over 10 years -in the Top 200
such a shame.....
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Post by johnny on Nov 1, 2024 18:41:40 GMT
That's not much more "sales" than GOLD last week.
I reckon actual real sales about 1,000.
In Sweden, failed to make charts (Top 60) but #7 on Physical Chart.
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Post by Alan on Nov 1, 2024 19:49:26 GMT
Sorry, but the albums chart is officially dead for me now. To manipulate it like that is just wrong. It doesn’t deserve that number 17 chart position and nothing could ever convince me that it does.
That’s the real shame. Perhaps Gold didn’t deserve its more recent success in the charts either but until now I hadn’t realised what a nonsense it all was.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 1, 2024 20:32:55 GMT
Alan -- The UK Charts are manipulated every Week, by 'Chart Rules'. Which is why I'm nowhere near as fascinated by them, as I once was. The Singles Chart is even more false than the Albums Chart. That's enabled Sabrina Carpenter, to be the 1st Female to have the entire Top 3, this Year. As well as the No.1 and No.2, for several Weeks. Plus her replacing herself at No.1, more than once. Plus, being only the 2nd Artist to spend as many as 20 Weeks, at No.1, in the same Year. The 1st time it has been done since Frankie Laine, in 1953. All of those 2024 Feats, are due to how Streaming affects the UK Singles Chart.
It affects the Albums Chart too. The only way to stop the manipulation, is for the UK Singles and Albums Charts, to close down. Because the UK Charts Company, has no intentions of changing 'Chart Rules'. No intentions at all...
A lot of Albums Enter high, but then make massive falls. Such as 'Tension II', by Kylie, being hailed as her 10th UK No.1 Album last Week - and falling to No.52, this Week!!!
Many UK 'Chart Fans' know, that it is really Streaming, that keeps 'Hits' Albums, in the Top 100, Year in Year out. They have long called for them, to be 'Banished' into their own Chart. Which would be bad News for ABBA, as they will then hardly ever be seen, in the UK Albums Chart. Except for a Week, (or so), every several Years, when one of their Studio Albums, ('Deluxe'), may Chart for 1 Week - at a very low Position. So, if the 'Banish Hits Albums!' People, get their way, ABBA will no longer be seen much, in the UK Top 100 Albums...
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 1, 2024 20:39:08 GMT
From UKMIX... Sales of 6099 " sales " Album has rare and unreleased tracks ?? ABBA’s Gold: Greatest Hits suffers collateral damage from the release of The Singles: The First Ten Years, with the latter set stealing all of the former’s streaming points, leaving it with just pure sales of 325 this week – a 91.98% dip in theoretical consumption which sees it fall from No.23 to a position way outside the Top 200. It thus ends a run of 200 consecutive weeks in the Top 40, 356 consecutive weeks in the Top 75, and 526 consecutive weeks – a tad over 10 years -in the Top 200 such a shame..... This release is a clusterfvck.
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Post by Alan on Nov 1, 2024 21:49:16 GMT
Just realised that The Definitive Collection in 2001 also reached number 17 in the UK, but that was entirely in its own right as it was before streaming. The similar Essential Collection didn’t chart. Fact: Love Isn’t Easy (But It Sure Is Hard Enough) - (fnarr fnarr) - is the only track on this compilation that hasn’t previously reached number one in the UK as part of a prior studio album or compilation (and still hasn’t). All 37 other tracks have been number one on a studio album or compilation, and in many cases both (and some went a step further, being number one singles). And a few have been number one singles as well as part of a number one studio album and three number one compilations (primarily singles from Arrival and The Album). I notice someone has edited Wikipedia to include The Singles 50 as an update of The Singles 10. I would disagree, it’s a second update of The Definitive Collection. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singles:_The_First_Ten_Years
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Post by johnny on Nov 1, 2024 22:30:56 GMT
#18 Physical Chart #34 Vinyl Chart
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Post by Michel on Nov 2, 2024 8:15:34 GMT
Meanwhile, I see a lot of online praise for the remastering and sound quality of this release, some calling it the best sounding digital version ever released.
I have every remaster that was done over the years, but personally I find myself going back more and more to the original, unremastered CD's from the eighties. Of course it's always a matter of personal taste but the consensus is that these are still the best sounding versions. After all, that's how the music was supposed to sound in the first place.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 2, 2024 9:04:55 GMT
Looking at the World's Download Album Charts - plus those for Europe, and the UK, it is clear that interest in 'The Singles' has already faded away.
We will see how many Country's Top 100's, it will be in, at the end of Next Week.
It looks like 'The Singles' will be a 'One Week Wonder', as far as Album Charts are concerned.
Once it vanishes, 'ABBA Gold' can return to the UK, and Irish, Top 100's..
As Alan says, 'The Definitive Collection' was also a UK No.17 Album. That was down to No.25, in Week 2. With a Top 100 'Run' of 16 Weeks. We will see where, 'The Singles' is, in Week 2.
Some ABBA Fans think, that 'ABBA Gold' has been in the UK Top 100, ever since it came out, in September 1992! That is wrong. 'Gold' has fallen out, of the UK Top 100, many times. The difference is, that this time, the No.23 to out of the Top 100 - drop - has ended its longest ever 'Run', in the Top 100. It was in the Top 100, for 382 Weeks, in a row. A long 'Run, that began, in July 2017...
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Post by johnny on Nov 2, 2024 13:48:56 GMT
OK, I have my calculations...
GOLD last week #23, was on about 4,000 "sales". Almost all streaming of course. The #24 album was just over 3 900. The Singles #17 on about 6,100 sales this week.
Only 2,100 more sales for this "new" album. Actually that's more than I thought but still derisory. The ABBA Voyage show gets more bums on seat per night. I would imagine streaming consisten so that extra would be mainly CDs. At only #34 in the vinyl chart, which is a niche market, not many willing to fork out £100 for this hideous monstrosity.
Failed to chart in their native Sweden, only #42 in Australia and the #5 German chart placing is flattering as that is a value-based chart. Also #17 in Ireland. Really, was it even worth releasing?
In context, Voyage sold over 200k on its first week in the UK and about the same in Germany. Some streaming but almost all pure sales. It shipped a million. Sold probably 800k.
If sales distribution was similar for The Singles, global sales of 8 to 10,000. Wow!
Enough to fill the ABBA Arena for 3 nights!
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Post by johnny on Nov 3, 2024 7:18:54 GMT
Chart Updates....Belgium and Switzerland
Flanders - #8 Wallonia - #28 #10 Switzerland
In UK component charts #17 Streaming #18 Physical #19 Sales #24 Download #34 Vinyl Chart
GOLD is #93 in the Sales Chart. It didn't make the Physical Chart but is #36 on Download Chart.
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Post by gazman on Nov 3, 2024 14:41:37 GMT
Not too many comments about 'The Singles' so far have been about the actual listening experience, so - for what it's worth - I'll add in my 2p-worth...
I like the sound of the CDs. It must be a result of the remastering of the tracks. A little higher on the treble, seemingly, with a little less bass accordingly - it plays very well on my CD player, and to me the tracks sound better overall than on 'Gold'.
I am getting a little 'background hiss' on 'People Need Love' - that may be to do with the original tape - but haven't heard anything else yet that would detract from the enjoyment of the music.
It is right, in my view, that the Polar singles are all on one collection now. So, if I want to hear the hits on CD, I think this will be my 'go-to' package from now on.
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Post by johnny on Nov 3, 2024 15:24:20 GMT
^Probably because not many of us have bought it. We own the songs multiple times already.
Maybe Universal should have marketed it as an improved listening experience - but that would led to questions as to why, to use your example, GOLD wasn't.
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Post by rickyrocknroller on Nov 3, 2024 18:33:32 GMT
A very cool thread, thanks for bringing it up! I'm a little typography maniac myself and I really enjoy identifying a lot of the fonts I've been having in my vinyl collection for ages now.
Thanks gazman for commenting on the remaster. It's a good sign they seem to be getting it right nowadays at least. Just for clarification, are you referring to the original 1992 Michael B. Tretow remaster of Gold for comparison?
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Post by Alan on Nov 3, 2024 18:58:01 GMT
Meanwhile, I see a lot of online praise for the remastering and sound quality of this release, some calling it the best sounding digital version ever released. rickyrocknroller, the post from gazman appears to support what Michel had already mentioned. This is good news and perhaps offers a purpose to this compilation. I’m not sure what mastering the current version of Gold uses. It’s easy to get a bit lost with remasters as there have been so many! Generally, the 1997, 2001 and 2005 remasters are considered the worst as they’re so loud. Anything since then has been a bit hit-and-miss, but a lot of it does depend on both the listener’s ears and the sound equipment used.
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Post by justabba on Nov 4, 2024 9:31:45 GMT
A friend of mine emailed Miles Showell who is listed as having mastered the recent compilation. He sent a lovely reply back, confirming he did indeed remaster this set and explained in what form the songs were sent to him etc. Perhaps its worth getting for the sound after all!
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Post by gazman on Nov 4, 2024 10:00:00 GMT
Thanks gazman for commenting on the remaster. It's a good sign they seem to be getting it right nowadays at least. Just for clarification, are you referring to the original 1992 Michael B. Tretow remaster of Gold for comparison? No, I did have that 1992 version, but gave it away to charity when I upgraded. The version of Gold I now have came from Belgium, I think, in 2008....I can't remember comparing that with the 1992 one.
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Post by johnny on Nov 4, 2024 10:38:57 GMT
A friend of mine emailed Miles Showell who is listed as having mastered the recent compilation. He sent a lovely reply back, confirming he did indeed remaster this set and explained in what form the songs were sent to him etc. Perhaps it’s worth getting for the sound after all! Well, maybe, as I said earlier, it should have been promoted as better sound quality ...but then, why not before?
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Post by Alan on Nov 4, 2024 12:12:49 GMT
gazman, I think if it’s a 2008 it will use the 2005 CSR remasters, so is one of the worst in terms of loudness.
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Post by onlyabba4meagain on Nov 4, 2024 18:06:56 GMT
In the UK Monday Mid Week's, 'The Singles' falls from No.13 to No.18.
That's comparing last Monday's Mid Week Position, to this Week's Position, in the Monday Mid Week's..
It really means, that it was at No.17, in Friday's Full Week Chart, and it has only fallen 1 place since then. Which means that, it is holding up far better, than I anticipated - so far.
It is obviously the Streams, that it is getting from 18 'Gold' Tracks, that is supporting it. It does not seem, to be Selling very well, as a CD, or on Vinyl. It only sold about 2000 Physical Copies, to be at No.17,last Week. It may Sell 2000 more Physical Copies, this Week.
But, until it vacates the UK Top 100, 'ABBA Gold', will not be able to return. It looks like 'The Singles' will get a 2nd Week, in the UK Top 100. Whether it can stretch to 3 Weeks, is another matter...
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Post by foreverfan on Nov 4, 2024 18:55:18 GMT
Sorry to sound thick...
Does it mean that Gold has to physically out sell 50 , for Gold to renter charts... I know the streams can be allocated to either, so what's to stop Universal to carry on giving the streams to 50 and Gold is finished.. ?
Does that make sense ?
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Post by johnny on Nov 4, 2024 19:45:06 GMT
Universal can allocate either 50 or GOLD as its ABBA GH album.
If they don't the best selling (phyical/downloads) gets the Streaming
GOLD only sold 325 last week, 50 on about 2,000.
It might take a few weeks for 50 to get lower sales than GOLD
OnlyAbba4Meagain, I take it Midweek charts from Monday morning to Sunday night. The #18 position then is for 4 days sales (Mon-Thurs) that was included in last week's full chart and won't be in this Friday's chart.
50 will probably have a bigger drop than this mid week implies but still safely in Top 100.
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Post by foreverfan on Nov 4, 2024 19:52:47 GMT
Thanks ^^
So ultimately it will be the best physical sales album that will get the streams.... as you say probably a few weeks.. back for Christmas..... Thankfully Legend, Bob Marley isn't doing to well at the moment either ( 75) .. so hopefully won't close the gap to much...
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 4, 2024 20:33:57 GMT
I don't mean to take this off topic, but this is an example of what could have been achieved in terms of celebrating 50 years of ABBA. The design and presentation on this is just exquisite. It's also a terrific balance of hits, deep cuts and unreleased/rarities.
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Post by foreverfan on Nov 4, 2024 20:49:07 GMT
Just to add to the mix.. and aid discussion...
Has it been a flop ?... to many of us on here, yes, not in terms of just the charts, but over all disappointing to put it mildly .. but it did actually chart albeit on low sales, and it did introduce Abba to a few new fans.
So what constitutes a failure in the great scheme of things... not just us.....
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Post by johnny on Nov 4, 2024 21:07:42 GMT
That Bryan Ferry Vinul and CD set was really impressive looking.
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Post by HOMETIME on Nov 4, 2024 21:09:48 GMT
[...] Has it been a flop ?... to many of us on here, yes, not in terms of just the charts, but over all disappointing to put it mildly .. but it did actually chart albeit on low sales, and it did introduce Abba to a few new fans. [...] Success on a sliding scale, maybe, viewed through smoke in a mirror? Technically, they can add another Top 20 album release to their tally. I'd be interested to know whether it has been instrumental in reaching new fans, whether it's made any converts. I'm pleased to know that the sound quality is decent. I just wish it had been more. That Bryan Ferry Vinul and CD set was really impressive looking. Truly. Apparently the price of the 5CD set is an eyewatering £150 or thereabouts. I presume that's because of the lavish packaging.
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Post by johnny on Nov 4, 2024 21:15:17 GMT
I very much doubt it got converts. Nothing from Mamma Mia! or Voyage show that might have enticed casual fans.
Nothing for hard-core fans- remixes, unreleased Voyage songs etc.
And cover/design was horrible.
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Post by justabba on Nov 4, 2024 22:25:50 GMT
OnlyAbba4Meagain, I take it Midweek charts from Monday morning to Sunday night. The #18 position then is for 4 days sales (Mon-Thurs) that was included in last week's full chart and won't be in this Friday's chart. 50 will probably have a bigger drop than this mid week implies but still safely in Top 100. No, the Monday midweek chart is sales from Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
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Post by bjorenny on Nov 4, 2024 22:34:37 GMT
If an ABBA equivalent of that Bryan Ferry boxset had been released, for £150, or even £250, I would have got it. I've spent exactly zero pounds on The First 50 Years.
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