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Post by gary on Aug 29, 2018 15:00:16 GMT
“The truth is that the films are not good enough for any ABBA songs!”
Love it, Colin! A truer word was never spoken! 😄
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 29, 2018 16:03:04 GMT
Ying and Yang...life in balance or the thought of it..as actually nothing really balances for long..^^^^ yes a 3rd film would be a mistake, even I agree to that , and I like the films  . yes on reflection, the films might have been better, different songs used, your never going to please everyone, but like I've said before I'm glad they exist, what's the alternative , obscurity, years of longing and nothing happening, this way we had something to talk about  and has kept them going for 40 years, and us interested or not, even though they murdered Kisses Of Fire, and I had such great hopes that that would've been the track everyone raved about.. but no.. so yes I can moan. It's hard to imagine the two films never exsisting and the joy it brought to millions, yes millions, do we really begrudge that... Still each to our own and there's nothing wrong with opposing thoughts and there will be no winner amongst fans, but on the wider world, how many more have been exposed to the phenomenon that is ABBA.... Time will pass and they will fade, but hopefully not in my lifetime...😀 |
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 29, 2018 16:06:03 GMT
Colin, you may know...
if it wasnt for the 3 track rule here in the UK. How many of the tracks would've made the top 75/100 ?
How many have they sold ?
Gold over 5,500,000 yet ?
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Post by gary on Aug 29, 2018 18:34:02 GMT
Yes, I’m glad the films exist. Which doesn’t contradict my previous post!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 23:45:21 GMT
Graham -- A few Years ago The British Phonographic Industry, (The B.P.I.), announced that Record Companies would no longer
need to apply for UK Sales Awards. The OCC would monitor all Sales and tell The B.P.I. when a Single, Album, or Video, was due
another Sales Award.
The B.P.I. are actually the 'Bosses' of The OCC and the 2 Organisations share the same building in London.
You asked me if 'ABBA Gold' has sold 5,500,000 - yet - in the UK. The OCC/The B.P.I. don't even consider that it
has sold even 5,400,000 copies. They would have awarded it an 18th Platinum Disk, if they did. They still have it
on 17 Platinum Awards. It got the 17th on 5th February 2016.
I've done my own - carefull - calculations on its UK Sales - Year by Year, and I get them to already be over 5,500,000.
However, The OCC and The B.P.I. clearly don't agree. But they gave '21' by Adele a 17th UK Platinum Award last Week,
and 'ABBA Gold' has done far better in the Charts. Perhaps The B.P.I. plan to give 'ABBA Gold' an 18th Award when the
2 Hour Global TV Tribute is shown in December? We will see...
THE RETURN TO NO.1 OF THE 'MAMMA MIA! 2' SOUNDTRACK
So it has returned to No.1 in the UK - for a 5th Week. However, it sold just 21,099 to do so. That is the lowest Sale, for
a UK No.1 Album, since 'Now' by Shania Twain sold 21,096, to go to No.1 47 Weeks ago. It is also just 2,003 copies
more than 'The Greatest Showman' sold to be No.2 this Week. That Album has been in the Top 5 for 35 Weeks - with
the last 34 Weeks in the Top 3. It looks like it could well return to No.1 soon, which would be its 22nd Week there.
Yet, the Film is not even in the UK's All Time Top 50. 'Mamma Mia! 2' is a far bigger UK success, and that is the 17th
All Time UK Film - and rising. So, something is clearly wrong, when the Soundtrack to Film 2 is struggling to get
even close to the UK Sales of 'The Greatest Showman' Soundtrack. The 2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Soundtrack should be
a much bigger seller than 'The Greatest Showman', but it is failing to get high Sales figures...
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Post by gary on Sept 5, 2018 10:59:33 GMT
Unfortunately, it looks like one of ABBA's records will be beaten this week. Currently, ABBA, Eminem and Led Zeppelin hold the record for most consecutive number one albums (eight). But Eminem is likely to get a ninth this week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 12:25:19 GMT
Gary -- Eminem will 100% definitely get his 9th consecutive UK No.1 Album tomorrow - Friday 7th September 2018.
In the Wednesday Mid Weeks his 'Kamikaze', ('Divine Wind' in Japanese), Album had sold 39,853 copies in the UK.
That is far ahead of 'Mamma Mia! 2', which was on 11,826, to be in 2nd place.
In 3rd place is 'The Greatest Showman' which has sold 11,118 this Week. So that is only 708 copies behind 'Mamma Mia! 2'.
It gets closer to 'Mamma Mia! 2' every Week, and it may soon start outselling it - Week by Week.
His 9th UK No.1 brings Eminem up to 26 No.1 Album Weeks. ABBA have also had 9 No.1 Albums, but they are way ahead
of Eminem in No.1 Weeks - 57. More than double Eminem's. (Like ABBA he's had 9 UK No.1 Singles. All 9 of ABBA's were at
No.1 for more than 1 Week - with 31 Weeks, at No.1, in Total. He's only spent 9 Weeks at No.1, as all 9 of his were only there
for 1 Week).
It was revealed yesterday, that Eminem has had 6 UK Million selling Albums - the same number as ABBA.
Calvin Harris will also beat ABBA tomorrow. He will get his 10th UK No.1 Single, with 'Promises'. Like Eminem, in the Albums
Chart, it will be his 26th Week at No.1. So, he has to get 5 more No.1 Weeks to equal ABBA's 31, and 6 more to beat ABBA.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 6, 2018 15:48:24 GMT
^^^
with the potential that ABBA may get 10 albums and 10/11 singles as always time will tell,
but id love to see them over take Frankie Laines 32 weeks at number one, in the UK singles chart ..they have missed out on that 1/2 weeks since 1980...they are currently on 31 weeks, but a long way off 44 weeks by the shadows who currently lie in 4th place, but you never know they could top number one for 14 weeks unlikely but not impossible....
That all said they may well probably slip back again as Justin Bieder and Drake are both currently on 30 weeks at the top.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2018 16:50:36 GMT
Graham -- The Shadows have not spent 44 Weeks at No.1, in the UK Singles Chart. Although UK Chart Books used
to allow The Shadows to have their 7 No.1's and 28 No.1 Weeks with Cliff Richard, (Cliff Richard & The Shadows),
The OCC do not. They only allow them their 5 No.1 Singles as The Shadows. That gives them just 16 No.1 Weeks.
However, I see that The OCC has contradicted itself. It has allowed The Shadows to have 'Travelling Light', by Cliff
Richard & The Shadows, and its 5 No.1 Weeks. It gives them 6 No.1's and 21 No.1 Weeks. This is silly, as they had
6 other No.1's with Cliff Richard and The OCC are not letting The Shadows have them. They should either let The
Shadows have none of their Cliff Richard No.1's, or all 7 of them...(In the Album Chart, The Shadows are only
allowed their 4 No.1's and 21 No.1 Weeks as The Shadows. They are not allowed their 3 No.1's and 21 No.1 Weeks
with Cliff Richard).
Yes, Justin Bieber and Drake are now on 30 No.1 Singles Weeks, in the UK. Obviously, they will over-take ABBA's
31 No.1 Weeks. There is no use us pretending that it won't happen.
There is certainly Zero chance of the New ABBA Singles being sure-fire UK No.1's. It depends if ABBA can beat
a lack of Streaming. If they can't, then they will not get to No.1. They have left it very, very late to compete
again, and the Global Charts are now worked out in such a way, that 'Old' Acts have a tough job to have huge
Singles. It is just the way it is...
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 6, 2018 16:56:23 GMT
^^
As per usual many anomalies to wade through what's right and what's not.
its getting harder and harder to compare chart facts of yesteryear and today.
It may be an age thing but I'm so disillusioned with the singles charts I hardly look any more , at least the albums have some normality.
That said, ABBA at number one again, we will see....
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Post by gary on Sept 7, 2018 19:52:43 GMT
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Post by gary on Sept 8, 2018 10:15:24 GMT
Someone on another forum pointed out that because Gracias Por La Musica was released during ABBA's eight consecutive number one albums, although it did not make the chart, ABBA cannot really be considered to have had eight consecutive number one albums. An interesting point. But is GPLM not an official UK release?
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Post by Michal on Sept 8, 2018 10:39:07 GMT
...'Mamma Mia! 2' is a far bigger UK success, and that is the 17th All Time UK Film - and rising. So, something is clearly wrong, when the Soundtrack to Film 2 is struggling to get even close to the UK Sales of 'The Greatest Showman' Soundtrack. The 2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Soundtrack should be a much bigger seller than 'The Greatest Showman', but it is failing to get high Sales figures... I listened to the soundtrack for the first time yesterday and I really don't understand why it's not a big seller. For me listening to it was actually a more enjoyable experience than watching the movie itself. It even made me think I should go and give the film a second chance (as I didn't like it the first time). I don't have a problem even with Kisses Of Fire… it's just OK. And there are several real gems - Knowing Me, Knowing You (in spite of Pierce Brosnan having a part); When I Kissed The Teacher (which one can enjoy without having to cringe at the absurdity of the scene); The Day Before You Came, I've Been Waiting For You and most of all My Love, My Life, which, in my opinion, is superior to the ABBA version (regardless of the dramatic changes in the lyrics). I can see why Björn and Benny were so desperate to use especially the latter two in the movie, even though they had to rewrite the lyrics - they were not especially satisfied with the original arrangement and production and they got it right in the movie. I've never been fond of My Love, My Life… until Benny released the Piano album and now… it must be one of my favourites. |
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Post by gary on Sept 8, 2018 10:52:43 GMT
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I have always loved both I’ve Been Waiting For You and My Love My Life. I can’t really see any problem with the originals, and Agnetha’s vocals on both are lovely. I must say, however, that I always thought that the tunes of both came out of the same pot, so to speak.
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Post by Michal on Sept 8, 2018 14:07:59 GMT
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I've Been Waiting For You has always been high in my personal "chart" and especially Agnetha's vocals are amazing. But this new stripped-down version is very, very good (even though the vocals are inferior to Agnetha's). However, My Love, My Life was almost almost a skip-track on the Arrival album for me until I heard Monsieur, Monsieur, which took my attention (and I like it better than MLML to this day). So it's definitely the arrangement that I have a problem with...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 17:33:24 GMT
Gary -- Only Singles and Albums that actually enter the Charts can affect an Acts Chart Run.
If a Single or Album is not a Hit, then it makes no difference - at all - to the Chart Run of an Act.
The people who say that ABBA did not have 8 consecutive UK No.1 Albums are being very silly,
if they think that 'Gracias Por La Musica' makes any difference to that.
Today I've Posted this, on a UK Chart Site:
Note - some people are saying that ABBA never had 8 UK No.1 Albums in a row.
That it was broken - after 5 No.1's in a row - by 'Gracias Por La Musica', in June
1980. In fact that Spanish Language ABBA Album only had a very limited UK
release. Only about 4,000 copies were released in the UK. It never entered
the UK Album Chart - at all. As it was not a Hit, it cannot 'break' ABBA's 'run'
of 8 UK No.1 Albums. Only Hits decide on 'Chart Runs' - not releases that don't
enter the Chart...
THE MOST CONSECUTIVE UK No.1 ALBUMS
(The 'Years Span' of the Consecutive No.1's in Brackets)
(W/E 28th July 1956 to W/E 13th September 2018)
01)... EMINEM -- 9 -- (2000 -- 2018)
02)=LED ZEPPELIN -- 8 -- (1970 -- 1979) ***
02)=ABBA -- 8 -- (1976 -- 1982)
04)... THE BEATLES -- 7 -- (1963 -- 1966)
*** = The 8th UK No.1 Album by Led Zeppelin was recorded at ABBA's Polar Studios,
between November and December 1978. It was their 'In Through The Out Door' Album.
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Post by gary on Sept 9, 2018 8:39:02 GMT
Thanks Colin. Interesting.
Would you consider Brotherhood Of Man's Angelo and Figaro to be consecutive number ones, bearing in mind that they released a single between those two (Highwayman) that did not chart?
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 9, 2018 10:42:42 GMT
^^^ personally , that's correct.. anything that did not make the top 50/75 is not a hit.
technically it can be years between and 10s of singles/albums released but not charting, and therefore those that did chart are considered chart consecutive hits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 15:54:27 GMT
Gary and Graham -- Yes, only Hits can decide on an Act's Chart Run. That is why they are called Chart Runs. Anything that fails to Chart has Zero effect on an Act's Chart Runs. They could have 10 No.1 Hits, then 5 Flops, then 10 more No.1 Hits. That Chart Run would be 20 No.1 Hits in a row. The 5 Flops cannot, and do not, have any effect on the Chart Run. Gary -- 'Angelo' and 'Figaro' were 2 No.1 Hits in a row, for Brotherhood Of Man. We do not count Flops - they are invisible. So, the fact that 'Highwayman' failed to Chart, between those 2 No.1's, makes no difference. I go into it all - using ABBA as an example - in this ABBA Thread: www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=24971&start=4800The fellow, called 'Nameless' there, always has very strong views. He says that Flops docount towards a Chart Run. That as 'Gracias Por La Musica' Flopped, in 1980, ABBA should not be given 8 UK No.1 Albums in a row. That it should be 5 in a row - 'Greatest Hits', (1976), to 'Greatest Hits Vol.2', (1979). I explain why I disagree with him. I use a Tennis - Wimbledon - Analogy. If Rafael Nadal Won Wimbledon, in 2020, but did not compete there in 2021. Then he Won there in 2022 and 2023, he would have Won Wimbledon 3 times in a row. The fact that he never competed there in 2021, is of no consequence. Only the Years, that he competed there, count... |
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Post by Zeebee on Sept 10, 2018 21:01:08 GMT
I have always loved both I’ve Been Waiting For You and My Love My Life. I can’t really see any problem with the originals, and Agnetha’s vocals on both are lovely. I must say, however, that I always thought that the tunes of both came out of the same pot, so to speak. I agree. I understand why Bjorn and Benny feel that My Love, My Life is overproduced, but I have always loved it the way it is. Funny that My Love, My Life and I've Been Waiting For You are mentioned together. I never heard I've Been Waiting For You until years after I first heard My Love, My Life, but something about it has always reminded me of My Love, My Life. I don't know what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 20:46:31 GMT
'ABBA Gold' is down from No.15 to No.17 in the UK Mid Week Chart. If it can stay in the Top 20, in Friday's Weekly Chart,
it will be its 114th Top 20 Week.
'More ABBA Gold' is at No.70 in the Mid Week Chart. It is its first UK Top 75 Entry since 2008 - if it can stay in until Friday...
'18 Hits' is still not allowed back into the Main UK Album Chart, as its Price is too low, at present. However, it has been at
No.1 in the UK Budget Chart for the past 7 Weeks, and it looks like it will be No.1 for an 8 Week, on Friday...
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 3, 2018 19:22:19 GMT
With 3/4 of year over, the Official Chart company has just published its best selling albums so far of the year here in the UK,
Mamma Mia Here We Go Again is 4th, with around 256,000 sales
Gold 15th, with around 124,000 sales
Mamma Mia 35th
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 3, 2019 17:09:44 GMT
The UK has just announced the top 100 best selling albums of 2018 4th Mamma Mia We Go Again...374.000 20th ABBA Gold...173 500 44th Mamma Mia  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 21:31:31 GMT
As is the case, everywhere else, UK Album Sales are way down on what they used to be.
In 2008 the 'Mamma Mia! 1' Soundtrack sold a UK Million as the Year ended.
The 374,000, that the 'Mamma Mia! 2' Soundtrack sold, in 2018, would only have been enough
for 24th place in 2008. That's 20 places lower than it finished in 2018.
In 2008 'ABBA Gold' sold 410,000 and was 19th for the Year. It would have ended 2018 in 4th
place, with those Sales. Its 173,500 2018 Sales would have only been enough for 90th place
in 2008 - no-where near 20th.
Even DVD Physical and DVD Download Sales have collapsed since 2008.
The UK DVD of the 1st 'Mamma Mia!' Film sold almost 1,670,000 on Day 1 in 2008 and almost 3.2 Million in its 1st Week.
The 2nd Film has sold 1,300,000 in 7 Weeks. That was enough to be the UK's 2nd biggest DVD of 2018. it was beaten
by 'The Greatest Showman', which sold 2,690,000. That took 33 Weeks to reach that Total. Neither come close to the
2008 UK DVD Sales of the 1st 'Mamma Mia!' Film, which sold over 5,500,000, by the end of 2008. It is still the UK's
biggest ever DVD. Only Queen's 'Bohemian Rhapsody' could outsell it, when that is available on DVD...
The Queen Film is much bigger than either 'Mamma Mia!' Film. It has now taken well over $700 Million at the Global
Box Office. To just over $609 Million for 'Mamma Mia! 1' and just under $400 Million for 'Mamma Mia! 2'.
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Post by foreverfan on Jan 4, 2019 18:47:56 GMT
In the first new chart of 2019 in the U.K. Album charts , MM2 climbs back into the top 10 @ 9, from 16 , Gold climbs from 38 to 31, MM climbs one place to 53 . ( Cher still hanging on at 70 ).
Is the Album chart a more true reflection? All the Christmas hits from last week's singles chart have totally disappeared from the chart, ( even last week's number 2 albeit Mariah's Christmas hit isn't in the top 100, so from number 2 to nothing ) and apart from the number one every other track is either a new entry, re entry or climber, no track falls.! In the top 40 .
For those who like charts etc ABBA are going to have a tough time getting a big hit, if those new tracks ever get released.
Is it time to change something ? How are charts compiled in other counties? Are they the same ? Or just as chaotic..
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Post by The Rubber Ball Man on Jan 4, 2019 20:15:49 GMT
Cher still hanging on at 70. More like 72!!!  |
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 22, 2019 18:16:02 GMT
Next week marks another milestone for Gold, in the UK album charts, Gold stands at a remarkable 37, it's 599th week in the Official top 75 . So next week will naturally be its 600th ..
Im sure more facts will surface...
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Post by foreverfan on Feb 23, 2019 8:26:18 GMT
2019, 9 album charts all of Golds position in the top 40, high of 29 low of 38, pretty consistent, an average of around 2,500 sales per week, I'm guessing, most of those sales are physical, so around another 20,000 plus sales to its impressive total of 5.4 million plus sold in the U.K...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 2:06:42 GMT
Graham -- Of course I'm aware that 'ABBA Gold' has now spent 600 Weeks in the UK Top 75.
It will be 601 Weeks on Friday - W/E 14th March.
In the W/E 14th March Chart 'Legend' by Bob Marley and The Wailers will be on its 624th Top 75 Week.
'Greatest Hits' (One), by Queen will be on 596 Top 100 Weeks. (It will really be on 590 Top 100 Weeks.
The UK Charts Company have mistakenly given it 7 Top 100 Weeks from a 1994 Double Queen CD. That
gives it 589 Top 100 Weeks - plus a Top 100 Week that they missed out, which gives it 590).
However, 'ABBA Gold' is not far off another UK 'All Time Chart Record'. I'll write about it when it gets
there. It should manage it. Only a few more Weeks to go...
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Post by foreverfan on Apr 4, 2019 13:46:26 GMT
Although early days of 2019
The UK has just released the best selling albums so far of 2019. Quarter One..
Mamma Mia 2 is the 14th Best seller and ABBA Gold is a Remarkable 33rd.
Obviously all will change and who know what will happen with the new releases in September/October, inevitably push those sales up.
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and has kept them going for 40 years, and us interested or not, even though they murdered Kisses Of Fire, and I had such great hopes that that would've been the track everyone raved about.. but no.. so yes I can moan. It's hard to imagine the two films never exsisting and the joy it brought to millions, yes millions, do we really begrudge that...
