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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 13:43:03 GMT
Thank You Gary -- I've written a different Post on the previous Page, to enable me to put the longer
- 11 Points - Post on this New Page - 5...
THE RETURN OF ABBA -- PLEASE BE FAIR TO THEM
1)... We all know that after all of the Decades since 1982, Agnetha & Frida will have lost some of the strength
in their voices. It happens to all singers.
2)... The ABBA ladies may - or may not - need to be 'Auto-Tuned' on the 2 New ABBA Singles. However,
we know how strong their voices once were & they were not 'Auto-Tuned' on the old ABBA Tracks. If they
need 'Auto-Tuning' now, can we not say that they have earned the right to do so? Unlike many 'Modern'
Female Singers, who sing in a semi-electronic style, which makes their voices very similar, & sound as
if they are 'Auto-Tuned' all the time? Even some 'long time' Female Acts sound 'Auto-Tuned' from Hit 1
to 'now', to me - Britney Spears, for example - 1999 to 2018 & she sang like a 'Semi-Robot' for all of it!
3)... Can we not just be thankful that ABBA are giving us 2 New Songs, after all of these Years? Do we
have to start questioning it, as if they have no right to record again, as ABBA? I know that some Fans -
here - never wanted ABBA to record New Songs. They felt that it would all end in a huge disaster and
ruin ABBA's 'Legacy'. Just as the many people who hate ABBA, also never wanted ABBA to record again.
So, we have some dedicated ABBA Fans sharing the: 'No New ABBA Songs!', views of the 'ABBA Haters'.
Which is rather ironic!
4)... ABBA AS PEOPLE -- I can assure you that ABBA will be greatly nervous about giving us the 2 New
Songs. They know that it has caused such a huge Global Media Hype, that the 2 New Songs will be the
most analysed Tracks that they've ever released. 'Journalists' all over the World will study every line of
lyrics, every note of the instrumentation & every tone that any of them sing, to decide if ABBA should
have ever recorded them.
5)... Not only will 'Journalists' put the 2 New ABBA Songs under a 'Microscope'. So, will the Rock & Pop
Media, all over the World - both in Print & On-Line. As will Rock & Pop Fans, from all over World. Many
will like ABBA, many will hate ABBA & many will have no views on ABBA, one way or the other. But, a
great many of all of those people, will say just what they think of the 2 New ABBA Songs. It will be a
very nerve-wracking time for ABBA.
6)... The TV & Radio Stations - Global - will also discuss the 2 New ABBA Songs. If they think they are
'weak' or 'not very good', they will certainly say so. Just as they will say if they think the New Songs are
'fantastic', 'great' and 'ABBA at their best'.
7)... Therefore, can we please try not to be pessimistic - in any way - about the 2 New ABBA Songs? ABBA will
get enough of that off the Media, Press, ABBA Haters & 'Chart Experts', as soon as 'I Still Have Faith In You', is
revealed, in December. I can assure you, that ABBA will be incredibly anxious. The last thing that they need is
'The Fans' being worried too.
8)... ABBA are taking a 'Double Risk', with 'I Still Have Faith In You'. The 1st risk is that it is their 1st New ABBA
release in Decades. So that is a 'Musical Risk'. The 2nd risk - and an even bigger one - is that they are introducing
the New Song via a Global TV Show - watched by Millions - using 'New Technology'. It means that Millions will be
watching, & wondering if it will work OK. If it goes 'wrong', then the entire World will immediately see that. It would
be a gigantic disaster for ABBA. Very damaging to them. ABBA will know that it is all a massive risk. Of course they
will be extremely nervous - but they will look, happy, relaxed and cool about it all, in Pre-Show Interviews etc.
9)... ABBA FANS -- Let's just be grateful that ABBA have recorded 2 New Songs for us. I never, ever expected even
one more New ABBA Song. If ABBA are happy at how the December TV Show is received, and how the 2 New Songs
are accepted, then we may get the ultimate 'ABBA Gift' in the not too distant future. That would be a brand
New ABBA Album, in 2019 or 2020. They could call Title it, 'The Wish', 'The Wishes', 'Miracle', 'Miraculous',
'The Wonder', 'Survival', or 'Hope'. Whatever fits their return the most...
10)... SUCH A COMEBACK IS UNHEARD OF -- ABBA are being incredibly brave. I know a great deal about Global Music
Charts & 'All Time Music Acts', & what ABBA are doing is unheard of. That is, a hugely popular Group cease recording, for
Decades, and then they suddenly reappear, with New Music. The Beatles split up in 1969, but I always go for 1970, as that
is when they released their final Album - 'Let It Be'. ABBA 'stopping' in 1982 and then 'starting' in December 2018,
is the same as if The Beatles 'stopped' in 1970 - and then 'started' again in 2006!
11)... ABBA IN A TIME MACHINE... Since ABBA split up, in late 1982, (some say 1983), we have had several successful
Scandinavian Groups. We had A-Ha' in the 1980's, Roxette in the 1980's & 1990's, Ace Of Base in the 1990's, and Aqua &
A Teens, in the 1990's & 2000's. ABBA's New Music, in 2018 and 2019, is unique. It is as if they got into a Time Machine, in
1983, and decided to 'Leap Frog' over all of the 1980's, 1990's, & 2000's Scandinavian Groups - to reappear in late 2018. It
is rather incredible to see ABBA back - so late in time, since they were last active...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 20:43:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 5:37:10 GMT
Benny and Bjorn have now said that they have ideas for a 3rd New ABBA Song.
That if they write it, it will be for when the ABBAtars Show starts Touring.
Of course, Universal will want the 3 New Songs to go on a future ABBA Compilation.
Otherwise they will just be 3 ABBA Songs, that never had an ABBA Album to belong to.
Which would be rather sad...
Benny and Bjorn also said that 'Don't Shut Me Down' is a very 'Pop' ABBA Single,
and it is very 'Danceable'. 'I Still Have Faith In You' is slower and more 'timeless'. It
is happy and sad at the same time...
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Post by foreverfan on Jul 17, 2018 9:00:54 GMT
It may be ifs buts and maybes, but it is all very interesting, and regarding another topic, although said no new album... it's seems if there is a third track why not a 4th 5th and before you know it an album is there, it would still sell by the millions even with just 8 tracks.. so lets never ever say never, I think a lot of us learnt that lesson...  |
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 17, 2018 9:18:58 GMT
Yeah I read that too. Benny has composed so many tunes since Abba that I am sure that there must be sufficient to choose from to be reworked into new Abba tunes with lyrics. Could result in the perfect pop album and be their Opus 10.
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Post by Zeebee on Jul 19, 2018 20:36:52 GMT
Benny and Bjorn have now said that they have ideas for a 3rd New ABBA Song. That if they write it, it will be for when the ABBAtars Show starts Touring. Of course, Universal will want the 3 New Songs to go on a future ABBA Compilation. Otherwise they will just be 3 ABBA Songs, that never had an ABBA Album to belong to. Which would be rather sad... Well, Fernando, Summer Night City, and Gimme, Gimme, Gimme were not on any of the original albums. |
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 20, 2018 0:15:55 GMT
Fernando would have been on Arrival had it not been included on Greatest Hits to help push the sales of that album at the time in the Uk and North America. Summer night city was earmarked for Voulez Vous but dropped as the boys were not satisfied that it fitted the Abba sound. Suspect it was released to keep the band in the public eye in a very quiet year for Abba towards the 2nd half of 1978. Gimme Gimme Gimme is probably the only single until recently that was never earmarked for the next album. We can only hope that the group might just give us that final album over the next few years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 5:29:01 GMT
Zeebee -- I was including Compilation Albums, when I said that the 2, (or 3), New ABBA Songs
would not have an ABBA Album 'to belong to', if they were just released as Singles.
Of course, I know that several ABBA Singles were not on ABBA Studio Albums, when they were first
released. However, they were included on 'Greatest Hits', 'Greatest Hits Vol.2' and 'The Singles'.
As Madonnabba points out, 'Fernando' was on 'Arrival' in Australia and New Zealand.
The 'Non-Album Singles' have been included on the 'Deluxe' Studio Albums, in more recent Years.
It would be a shame if the New ABBA Singles were never included on any ABBA Albums - at all
- be it a Studio Album or a Compilation Album...
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 20, 2018 11:50:38 GMT
Who is Amanda Platell? From planet Obscurity?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 16:02:46 GMT
Madonnabba - Amanda Platell is not a Film Critic. She just has a 'Daily Mail' Column.
Believe me, her views on 'Mamma Mia! 2' are tame compared to the Review that I've just read!
The fellow tears the Film to bits. Apparently, every single Song in it is 'dreadful'. I checked him
out. He is notorious for criticising virtually every Film that he Reviews. He also likes to walk out on
Films - to make a big gesture as to how crap he thinks it is. He hates the Songs in 'Mamma Mia! 2',
the colours, the direction, the acting, the singing -- everything...
I've also just read a Review of 'Mamma Mia! 2' on a Forum Site. By one of the people who runs it.
He liked it, but 'all the best ABBA songs were used in the first film'. He hates 'Why Does It Have
To Be Me?', calling it 'tuneless'.
Then he shows how much he knows about ABBA, (nothing!), by saying that 'Arrival' was their
1st Album! How he can know that ABBA's 'best songs' were all in Film 1, when he does not
even know that they had Albums before 'Arrival', is beyond me! These 'Experts' are very silly.
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 20, 2018 18:29:09 GMT
Sounds a bit of a prat. Childish behaviour. I love how someone else’s talent and success can irk another with little or no talent. Maybe he should find a real job. If any employer would have him. Just ignore him. I find that works with misbehaving children.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 16:49:21 GMT
NOVEMBER-- The Official ABBA Site is now saying that 'I Still Have Faith In You' will be out in November.
A few Months ago ABBA said 'December'. We are supposed to hear it for the first time in the 2 Hour TV
Special, in December. The 'ABBAtars' are supposed to 'sing' it for us.
I don't see how this can happen if the Single is out in November - a Month before the ABBAtars are even
seen. I mean, what will promote the Single in November? It won't be ABBA - they don't want to be seen as
ABBA in 2018. I'm baffled by what plans there are for the 2018 Single...
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 21, 2018 17:14:57 GMT
Maybe it’s to give it a better chance of being the biggest selling single of the year and to avoid competition from the dreadful X factor finalist. Can’t believe people still watch that. Should have been retired 5 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 21:39:29 GMT
Madonnabba -- The Days when the X Factor Finalist/Winner could instantly have a No.1 are
over. The Winner is no longer certain of even reaching No.2, let alone No.1.
It may be very hard for ABBA to have a No.1 Hit in the UK. 'Old' Acts struggle due to a
lack of Streaming. That is why 'Fernando', by Cher, is No.64 in both the UK Download
and Sales Singles Charts, but it is not in the Main Top 100 at all. Its lack of Streams are
stopping it entering that Chart - and the Main UK Singles Chart is the only one that
counts. If ABBA's New Singles 'only' reach No.1 in the UK Sales Chart, then ABBA
cannot be credited with them as No.1 Hits. It is where they get in the Main Chart
that counts. Times have changed... (ABBA can still - easily - have UK No.1 Albums, though
- if they ever do a 9th Studio Album).
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Post by Michal on Jul 22, 2018 6:30:23 GMT
It's possible then, that the timing of the new single is tied with the second Mamma Mia movie, which will, no doubt increase the interest among the younger generation, and these new fans may then stream ABBA's new single out of curiosity...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 7:55:36 GMT
Michal -- It is possible to do very well in the Main UK Singles Chart with low Streaming.
It can be done. All ABBA need to do is sell so many on CD Single, 7 Inch Vinyl and Downloads,
that those combined Sales beat every Act whose Single is selling a lot on Streams. Then ABBA
could have a UK No.1 Single based on factors other than Streaming. They just have to outsell
the Streaming and Downloads of the other Top 10 Main Chart Singles that Week. It can be done.
70,000 Sales by ABBA would do it - in Week 1. That's their Download, CD Single and 7 Inch Vinyl
combined Sales that Week. They have had bigger Weekly UK Singles Sales than that. In 1980 they
sold over 100,000 - for both Weeks - when 'The Winner Takes It All' spent 2 Weeks at No.1. Later
in 1980, they sold over 100,000 for 2 of the 3 Weeks that 'Super Trouper' was at No.1. So ABBA
can sell an awful lot of Singles in 1 Week...
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Post by Michal on Jul 22, 2018 10:55:06 GMT
Well, they surely can sell a lot, especially if people buy more copies of the single (and I, for one, will certainly buy both the CD and vinyl version). Moreover I'm quite certain there won't be "just" the CD-single and vinyl single but we will be treated to a picture disc version or a coloured vinyl or both - Universal must be aware of everything you said and they will do everything to sell as much copies as possible and get ABBA back to No.1. I was told by a friend, whose neighbour works at the factory manufacturing CDs and vinyls, that the preparations for some new unspecified ABBA release have already begun. He didn't know, what it might be, but there's no doubt it is the I Still Have Faith In You single, unless we get some other surprise for Christmas |
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Post by madonnabba on Jul 22, 2018 11:34:40 GMT
Given that Gold has sold in excess of 5 300 000, if even a fraction of those record buyers buy the track unavailable on an album elsewhere, surely they could achieve number one for at least one week. With the hype around the single and the release of Mamma Mia 2 on dvd it’s not impossible. Remember Abba albums sold in excess of 1 million and singles still managed to sell in excess of 500 000 despite being on albums at the time of their release.
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Post by Michal on Jul 22, 2018 11:55:09 GMT
By the way, where should I order the single from to help them climb the UK charts? Amazon? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 9:47:09 GMT
Michal -- Regarding the UK Charts - they are made up of Sales Data from many On-Line sources.
(From High Street Stores also, of course).
The UK Amazon, UK iTunes, On-Line HMV, Spotify and so on.
Buying ABBA Music from any of them goes towards the UK Singles and Albums Charts.
The Official Charts Company even Track & include the Sales of CD's sold at UK Concerts now.
This only began to be Tracked a few Years ago.
It is a pity. In 2005 to 2006 Madonna had her biggest World Hit Single with 'Hung Up'
Because Benny and Bjorn had let her sample 'Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!' on it, she sold
a great many copies of 'ABBA Gold' at her 2006 UK Concerts. Unfortunately, The OCC
did not Track such Sales then, so the ABBA CD 'lost' many 1000's of Sales, that were
not counted, because Madonna sold them during her UK Tour...
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Post by gazman on Aug 1, 2018 17:45:04 GMT
Just a couple of points to make on this topic....
Michal asked where he might be able to buy to contribute to UK sales. But he is based in Central Europe, unless I am mistaken, and I don't think the UK chart can be influenced from sales outside the country?
Also, when the new tracks are released, I think sales only count towards the singles chart if the various formats are released on the same day? At least, it used to be that way. So, for instance, if a song can be downloaded from 1st December, with a vinyl or CD release coming 2 weeks later, those subsequent releases might not count towards the singles chart (perhaps only specialist charts?).
The rules probably change frequently, but the point I'm making is that the record company might not plan to make all formats available on the same day in any given territory.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 4:38:30 GMT
I can empathise with the four of them, I believe, getting all these "will there be a reunion" questions over and over again for so many years now, it must be both flattering and annoying at the same time. But this clip, from forty-two years ago, mind you, is quite interesting in light of this year's news. I might be too harsh on Björn here, but notice their very different reactions to the lady's at the time almost facetious question. It tells you something about who was the real musical motor, doesn't it? And I think what Benny means, in for him unusually tortured English, is that sure, it might very well happen, if the right song comes along...
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 8, 2018 8:22:17 GMT
In an interview with The Econimist, Bjorn mentions that the new single could be pushed back until after Christmas now. Just a few more weeks to wait...  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 21:58:27 GMT
I've just watched Bjorn's Interview, with a woman, from 'The Economist'.
It is disappointing, that we can't have 'I Still Have Faith In You' until early next Year. (Which could be later than January).
There must be a good reason for it. Maybe they can't get the ABBAtars performance of it 'right', at this time?
Or maybe the 2 Hour ABBA Tribute TV Show is going to be shown later than anticipated.
However, there is no point in any ABBA Fans getting upset, frustrated or angry about this.
We have Zero say in when the New Singles are released.
I'm sure that the way ABBA look at it is - we've waited 36 Years for New ABBA Singles. it is nothing to wait a few Months longer.
We have to just let ABBA get on with it all. That is the only choice that ABBA Fans have.
I see no point in getting upset because we can't have an ABBA Single in December.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 7:49:48 GMT
In an interview with The Econimist, Bjorn mentions that the new single could be pushed back until after Christmas now. Just a few more weeks to wait... A bit frustrating but there could be a hundred different reasons for this decision, assuming it happens. Surely, though, it would prove beyond reasonable doubt that achieving a high sales volume is not the principal driver behind the release of new material. If their main goal was just to shift a lot of units, they'd hit the Christmas market come what may. Regardless of the competition and regardless of what chart position was actually achieved, they'd pretty much be guaranteed to ship a lot more copies than they would via a New Year release in January, February or whenever. Maybe they think they've got a better chance of attracting more attention and securing a higher chart placing (albeit with lower sales volume) if they hit a 'softer', less noisy market; that's possible - no matter how much the music industry has changed, everyone loves a 'hit' and there's a lot of vanity involved. Or maybe it's simply locked into the timing of other projects and what's perceived to be 'best' for those in terms of promotion. Impossible to say. The reality is probably that a range of competing objectives are shaping their thinking (with the exception, it seems, of maximising sales of the new material). It'll be fascinating to see how their strategy develops - plus, of course, how well it works in the end. |
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Post by madonnabba on Aug 9, 2018 9:01:30 GMT
Remember The Album was scheduled for a December release in the Uk in 1977 but was postponed as the processing plants could not meet the demand. This time round it could be strategic with Ed Sheernan tipped for a Christmas number one. I still don’t get his appeal. I like the odd song of his but a lot are sameish. Depending on the lyric content of ‘I still have faith in you’ it could be aimed at the Mother’s Day market in the Uk. Or it could be simply that they are having problems with the Abbatars as previously suggested.
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Post by gazman on Aug 10, 2018 18:02:27 GMT
Delays will be down to the tie-in with the TV special and the Avatar launch, I'm sure. They'll need to get it exactly right. ABBA would have no such special desire to have 'the Christmas number 1 single' - if that didn't drive them when they were an active band, why would it now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 15:51:41 GMT
Frida in a new interview. "We are continuing with our project so we'll see where it will lead us. Maybe it has not turned out as we had thought so far, we're all working on it, says Abba-Frida. The star star also tells what she thinks about the new Abba songs that the band has recorded together. "It's exciting because we have already recorded two songs that I think are very good" she says."
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Post by gazman on Sept 7, 2018 6:20:39 GMT
As we get closer to hearing the songs, it's hard not to think about how they might sound.
In my head, I feel that 'I Still Have Faith In You' might be quite comparable to 'The Way Old Friends Do' - very reflective and wistful, quite melancholy and rather 'naked' in sound. And then, I imagine 'Don't Shut Me Down' to be a bouncy toe-tapper, something similar to 'Dream World', perhaps.
We will see!
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Post by gary on Sept 8, 2018 10:38:03 GMT
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Oh I hope not (sorry). The Way Old Friends Do and Dream World aren’t exactly the most exciting ABBA songs!
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