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Post by Michal on Sept 8, 2018 14:11:36 GMT
Better the new The Way Old Friends Do and Dream World than nothing :-) But I guess it won't be the case... especially as Dream World remained unreleased for so long. I can't imagine ABBA recording (and praising) a song similar to something they didn't even considered good enough for release in 1979.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 18:11:44 GMT
I was wondering if the Global BBC//NBC 2 Hour ABBA Tribute TV 'Special' would still go ahead. After all, ABBA said that the 'highlight' would be The ABBAtars 'singing', (miming), to the 1st of the New ABBA Singles - 'I Still Have Faith in You'. Now Bjorn has said that that Single is 'pushed back' until early in 2019. So, I wondered if that means that the 'ABBA Special' will also be delayed until early 2019. The answer appears to be 'No'. It is still going to be Broadcast - World-Wide - in December this Year. Does this mean that ABBA will still 'Showcase' 'I Still Have Faith In You' in it? If they do, then it means that we can hear it in December, but we will not be able to buy it until January 2019 - or whatever 2019 Month it has been pushed back to. It will be incredibly frustrating! On top of this, Frida seems to be hinting that they are having problems with the 'ABBAtars'. The BBC/NBC 'ABBA Tribute' Show is being Broadcast on Tuesday 18th December...A lot of people think that ABBA plan to reveal both New Songs in the TV Special. At no time have they said that. They said that we will get to hear 'I Still Have Faith In You' in the TV Special. That we have to wait until 2019 to hear 'Don't Shut Me Down'. Most likely in the Spring of 2019 - which is any time from March to June. Benny and Bjorn have hinted that they have a 3rd New ABBA Song 'in mind', but we are not to hear it until the 'ABBAtars' are on Tour. Which could mean that Song 3 is never recorded, if the 'ABBAtars' idea is cancelled, due to it not working out... Link:abbafanatic.blogspot.com/ |
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Post by HOMETIME on Sept 11, 2018 15:33:51 GMT
OK, some of this talk has lured me out of "semi-retirement." I have a couple of thoughts/speculations.
I would be shocked if anyone thought it was a good idea to broadcast "I Still Have Faith In You" in December and hold off on releasing it until January. Yes, January is a traditionally quiet month that allows some new releases to shine a little brighter. But if the TV special is big and important, it is likely to draw big pre-Christmas viewing figures. "Gold" is likely to see a huge resurgence in its chart fortunes (yes, my ill-educated opinion). Having ISHFIY available for download immediately after the credits roll and all physical formats available the next day strikes me as a terrific way of nabbing a really high chart placing - if not the coveted Christmas No.1 (now that XFactor has lost its lustre, it seems likely). Imagine people buying picture discs or CD singles as stocking fillers for their ABBA fan friends, for Mums, for music fans generally?
Clumsy speculation here, but I suspect that "Don't Shut Me Down" could be held back to promote the restaurant thingy. And how the tabloids will pun on the title! "Don't Shut Me Down (for food hygiene infractions)" or "Don't Shut Me Down (for noise pollution concerns)." You get the picture. If they were smart, they could release a DVD/digital edition of the TV special with DSMD as a bonus track/scene around the same time.
If there is a third new song in mind, I think they should commit to an album for release in 2020.
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Post by Alan on Sept 11, 2018 20:02:39 GMT
I definitely agree with you, Tony. It’s incredibly naive of them to think that the broadcast (assuming it includes the whole track) won’t end up on YouTube or other sites. You can’t hold back on an official release these days, it’s just shooting yourself in the foot. I don’t really expect it to be a big hit anyway. 20 years ago maybe, but these days most will hear it for free somewhere and only hardcore fans will buy it. There isn’t enough of those.
I still have to smile when I see ABBA’s Wikipedia page: “Years active 1972-1982; 2018 - present”. Doesn’t really give the real story but looking at it, one might think ABBA really are back together properly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 20:40:04 GMT
Guys -- As the ABBA Single will be on CD Single, 7 Inch Vinyl and Downloads, it may well enter the Global
Charts on that basis - even if its Streams are low. That is it its Streams are low - 'ABBA Gold' has been in the
Top 10 of the UK Streaming Chart, this Year and over 5,400,000 to 5,500,000 UK people already have that!
If ABBA were to tie in the release of 'I Still Have Faith In You' with a Charity Single, then they get a lot of attention.
ABBA may not even need that extra 'boost', anyhow. It is true, that a few Months ago, a UK Charity Single, was
released and it hardly touched the Charts. However, that was because every Artist on it was either Z-List, or an
'Has-Been'. It was also the umpteenth time that The Beatles 'With A Little Help From My Friends' has been covered.
It has already been a UK No.1 for 3 other Artists. It had no chance to sell yet again - which is why it didn't.
ABBA are an A-List Act and not at all 'Has Beens'. The release of New Singles by ABBA will be seen as an 'Event' -
as was reflected in the gigantic Media fuss, when they announced that they'd been recording again.
We will see what happens to the New Singles. Personally, I'd rather that ABBA ditched The ABBAtars Tour, and
recorded a New Album instead. Unlike Singles, 'Old Acts' have a far, far more certain chance to have Hit Albums,
these days. That's why Kylie Minogue reached No.1 in the UK with her last Album, and none of the Singles off it,
even reached the Top 30...
I know that it is easy to fall into the trap of 'Predicting Doom and Gloom for ABBA', but we have to try to think
more positively. I've been told - since 2008 - that 'Mamma Mia! 2' should never be made. That 'Grease 2' flopped,
and a 2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Film was bound to flop too. Guess what? It has now taken £63.2 Million in the UK. It is
the UK's 15th Biggest 'All Time' Film. The 1st 'Mamma Mia!' is in 11th place, with £68.6 Million. 'Mamma Mia! 2'
has taken almost $380 Million Globally. It cost $75 M to make, so it has made a gigantic profit. So much for it going
to flop! Lol!
I do - however - think that The 'ABBAtars' idea is too much of a risk. It worries me. I don't want ABBA to be seen to
fail in front of the World's Media. The Media can be ruthless.
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Post by gary on Sept 12, 2018 10:38:23 GMT
It cost $75 to make? Yep, it shows!
Alan and Tony posting again? It’s just like the old days!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 17:41:59 GMT
Gary -- I sometimes miss off the M or Million part, when I type a figure. That's why I said that the
2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Film cost $75 to make!
Regarding The 'ABBATars' and the New ABBA Songs. I've a feeling that it is all going to result in
something that we never expected. We will be either surprised or shocked. The only thing that
we can do is to wait and see...
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 18, 2018 8:23:09 GMT
It's been reported in one of the UKs papers ( albeit not the most reliable) that the ABBA documentary is postponed due to difficulties and the singles not finished !!! This is a blow to the BBC, hoping for the Christmas viewing figures and of course kudos for airing the new single first... apparently it is now officially pushed back to 2019.
Somehow as mentioned by others , not looking as good as it could be....
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Post by Michal on Sept 18, 2018 14:18:05 GMT
I just hope that if the ABBAtar tour is cancelled (as it may be if the ABBAtars don't turn out the way the ABBA members expect), they won't let the two new songs rot in the archives forever...
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I'm not sure if ABBA are just having 'problems' with the 2 New Songs, or if the Songs are fine, and
it is just that they can't get it to 'look right' when The 'ABBAtars' sing, (mime), them. Maybe it looks
too artificial - even 'creepy' - when The 'ABBAtars' perform the New Songs. (Or even when they perform
any ABBA Songs).
The mistake that ABBA made was to tell us about the 2 New Songs. They should have kept it quiet until
they had everything exactly how they wanted it to look and sound. Now it looks like they don't really know
what they are doing. It is a real shame, as ABBA were once known for doing almost everything right...
Some ABBA Fans not only think that The 'ABBAtars' idea should be scrapped. They think that the Global TV
Special is a bad idea too. They just want the 2 New ABBA Songs. But, maybe ABBA won't let us have them,
if they have to cancel everything else. Maybe they will think that ABBA should go back into 'Hibernation'.
They can't give up on the BBC//NBC ABBA TV Special. It would be a huge embarrassment. It would be as
if the 'Live Aid' Concert were cancelled in 1985, or the Freddy Mercury Concert in 1992. The ABBA TV 'Thing'
has already been given a big build up. It will look weird and amateurish if they cancel it now. It will do their
reputation no good at all. (I know that some Fans think that it will do ABBA's reputation no good if it does go
ahead. There are often extremely opposite views among ABBA Fans).
I don't know what will happen to the 2 New Songs, if the TV 'Event' is cancelled. Maybe ABBA will regret the
whole thing and 'File' the 2 New Songs away - forever. Imagine that happening!!!
Everything is now very uncertain about it all - the New Songs, The 'ABBAtars' and the TV Special. It is very sad.
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Post by Michal on Sept 19, 2018 15:40:47 GMT
Fresh news from the Official ABBA Fan Club: "The release of the new ABBA songs is delayed until the spring because the songs are not ready… the songs will not be presented in a television special in December as planned… no news on the hologram tour either…"
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 19, 2018 16:44:18 GMT
I think we are all in for a bumpy frustrating ride...  As long as the journeys end is what we all hope for, I'll go along with that ride, after all I've been on this bus for so long now  Whats a few more months... as long as I make it..  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 17:34:41 GMT
Are ABBA really having such 'problems' with the 2 New Songs, that their release and the TV Special
are now delayed until Spring 2019?
Logic tells us that the 2 New Songs must have sounded pretty good for ABBA to announce that they
existed in April of this Year.
Remember - they recorded them 10 Months earlier, in June 2017. They must have been ready and
finished by April 2018, for ABBA to tell us about them.
I'm wondering if the delays are because ABBA have decided to greatly expand on the 2 New Songs?
Could they have decided to record and release a New Album in Spring 2019?
It all seems very odd that 2 Songs are supposed to be causing them such problems! Songs that they
recorded over a Year ago. I cannot believe that they are still working on them. It does not add up...
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 19, 2018 18:01:21 GMT
^^^^ it does make you think Like you said 2 songs in spring 2017 and not finished..emmmmm Something doesn't stack up, all that hype and such a long time in advance.....or are we being over optimistic........a Album.... only another 6 months or so to go.... again.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 13:03:02 GMT
I think it could be to do with a) the Cher album out end of this month - if sales good, interest/coverage will last a while, and even more so b) Mamma Mia 2 DVD coming out for the Christmas market - probably too much ABBA saturation! I don't think they want to risk ABBA overload. In early or Spring 2019 all the emphasis will be on the new releases alone, rather than 'competing', in particular, with the Mamma Mia 2 DVD. I for one think it's a good thing to delay it a while. Maybe they will be looking at around 6th April!
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Post by madonnabba on Sept 21, 2018 1:01:57 GMT
Maybe to celebrate 45 years after Waterloo or maybe a release leading up to Mother’s Day to capture that market. Given the title .... I still have faith in you. A new album featuring some of the reworked songs with the girls vocals would be good ....I’ve been waiting for you, My Love My Life, I still have faith in you, Don’t shut me down and the haunting version of the Day before you came would be a start towards the new album as well as the rumoured third song. And there is all the music Benny has composed to choose from for Bjorn to provide lyrics to. There should be enough material for a classic album maybe for release in late 2019 or 2020. We can dream.
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Post by foreverfan on Sept 21, 2018 7:27:26 GMT
It always amuses me that all of a sudden the rumours take on a new tangent, ( yes we all love to surmise, me included) , then somewhere further down the line/thread it's becomes a fact, and before we know it , That 'new album ' is true , it's going to be number one for 20 weeks and sell millions, where all in reality, we might not even get the two new songs... Its fun thinking of what might be, but unless I'm wrong there has been ' no ' talk from anyone apart from fans of a new album.. Like always let's wait and see... next we will be having re worked tracks , like Another You Another Me, ( which ironically i do like) any Agnetha written tracks , Slowly, by Frida all making " Opus 10 " because of course that's the new name of the new album...  |
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Post by kruspetiddies on Sept 30, 2018 21:13:33 GMT
Guys -- As the ABBA Single will be on CD Single, 7 Inch Vinyl and Downloads, it may well enter the Global Charts on that basis - even if its Streams are low. That is it its Streams are low - 'ABBA Gold' has been in the Top 10 of the UK Streaming Chart, this Year and over 5,400,000 to 5,500,000 UK people already have that! If ABBA were to tie in the release of 'I Still Have Faith In You' with a Charity Single, then they get a lot of attention. ABBA may not even need that extra 'boost', anyhow. It is true, that a few Months ago, a UK Charity Single, was released and it hardly touched the Charts. However, that was because every Artist on it was either Z-List, or an 'Has-Been'. It was also the umpteenth time that The Beatles 'With A Little Help From My Friends' has been covered. It has already been a UK No.1 for 3 other Artists. It had no chance to sell yet again - which is why it didn't. ABBA are an A-List Act and not at all 'Has Beens'. The release of New Singles by ABBA will be seen as an 'Event' - as was reflected in the gigantic Media fuss, when they announced that they'd been recording again. We will see what happens to the New Singles. Personally, I'd rather that ABBA ditched The ABBAtars Tour, and recorded a New Album instead. Unlike Singles, 'Old Acts' have a far, far more certain chance to have Hit Albums, these days. That's why Kylie Minogue reached No.1 in the UK with her last Album, and none of the Singles off it, even reached the Top 30... I know that it is easy to fall into the trap of 'Predicting Doom and Gloom for ABBA', but we have to try to think more positively. I've been told - since 2008 - that 'Mamma Mia! 2' should never be made. That 'Grease 2' flopped, and a 2nd 'Mamma Mia!' Film was bound to flop too. Guess what? It has now taken £63.2 Million in the UK. It is the UK's 15th Biggest 'All Time' Film. The 1st 'Mamma Mia!' is in 11th place, with £68.6 Million. 'Mamma Mia! 2' has taken almost $380 Million Globally. It cost $75 M to make, so it has made a gigantic profit. So much for it going to flop! Lol! I do - however - think that The 'ABBAtars' idea is too much of a risk. It worries me. I don't want ABBA to be seen to fail in front of the World's Media. The Media can be ruthless. I wonder if the CD single is going to be released worldwide,I would love to buy it and add it to my collection. |
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Post by Michal on Oct 1, 2018 7:47:45 GMT
^ I can't imagine a reason not to release it worldwide (i.e. if it is released).
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Post by Michal on Oct 1, 2018 7:56:43 GMT
It always amuses me that all of a sudden the rumours take on a new tangent, ( yes we all love to surmise, me included) , then somewhere further down the line/thread it's becomes a fact, and before we know it , That 'new album ' is true , it's going to be number one for 20 weeks and sell millions, where all in reality, we might not even get the two new songs... Its fun thinking of what might be, but unless I'm wrong there has been ' no ' talk from anyone apart from fans of a new album.. Like always let's wait and see... next we will be having re worked tracks , like Another You Another Me, ( which ironically i do like) any Agnetha written tracks , Slowly, by Frida all making " Opus 10 " because of course that's the new name of the new album... And all of this with the full support from the media :-D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 8:54:18 GMT
Yes, let us not expect anything - 'For The Fans' - off ABBA. Then we can't be disappointed if we get nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 17:04:24 GMT
I think the whole fuss about "the songs not being ready" is about the abbatars not "being ready" to perform them. Of course those songs are ready!!!! So, now there is a problem, songs are finished, the 4 not going to perform in front of camera, the abbatars not working to the satisfaction (of the 4).... The songs will be ok and good. If showing those songs through abbatars doesnt work, they will find another way to release them, I am sure!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2018 17:43:13 GMT
If ABBA can't get The 'ABBAtars' 'right', to perform the 2 New Songs, then they could get them performed
by the ABBA Puppets from 'The Last Video Ever', (2004). I'm sure that they would be delighted to be able
to Sing them, after being rejected by the Record Company, in that little Film.
Or they could get a State-Of-The-Art Cartoon Company to create a Cartoon ABBA to Sing the Songs.
Maybe we will even get the 3rd New ABBA Song, that Benny says he 'has in mind'...
Puppets or Cartoons would be a good way for ABBA to record and promote an entire New Album,
but we must not get too far ahead of ourselves. Dreams do sometimes come true, however...
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Post by bennybjorn on Oct 2, 2018 14:59:36 GMT
Greetings all. Is this the strongest sign yet for the possibility of a new album? Today's London Evening Standard in an article titled, 'Are Abba about to release a new album?' www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/is-abba-about-to-release-a-new-album-a3951151.htmlSpeaking to A List he (Bjorn) said: “A new album, possibly. Or four songs or something like that — that’s possible. But for us to perform on stage that’s just not going to happen. That’s a definite.” |
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 2, 2018 18:01:32 GMT
^^^^The Standard.. not a bad paper ..so the rumour mill carries on....can we still all hope.. |
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Post by foreverfan on Oct 3, 2018 8:30:18 GMT
It's all getting a little exciting, ironically after the post I made earlier, ( perhaps I should predict more! And something will happen ) rumour mill is in full swing, now there's 4 tracks a possible album, its hard not to get carried away.. I do hope it all comes To fruition, we have waited so long for something, it would be a great way to say goodbye once and for all.. and I think we'd be happy... counting the days, however many that will be.. |
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Post by Michal on Oct 3, 2018 10:01:57 GMT
...it would be a great way to say goodbye once and for all.. and I think we'd be happy... Are you sure? As I see it, there will always be moaners… If we really get the final album, there is always a space for asking for more... one more album, one more single, rarities collection, Just Like That released, live recordings released… ABBA will never have peace, there's too much of a demand for anything connected to them. I don't say it's a bad thing, just the idea that everybody will be happy and utterly content once they release their 10th studio album should not be taken for granted |
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Post by madonnabba on Oct 3, 2018 10:51:14 GMT
I feel more optimistic that an album could be a possibility but maybe not that soon. They may want to test the water with the first two singles to see if the demand is still there for them to put all the hours in to making a full album. I just keep thinking of all Benny’s compositions over 30 years which could be reworked with lyrics into Abba songs. There would surely be enough to contribute to a new album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 11:16:48 GMT
Madonnabba -- It would be a huge mistake for ABBA to 'Test the water' with New Singles, to see if there
would be demand for an Album.
It is now very hard for Old' Acts to do well in Singles Charts. 'Streaming' tends to give 'Modern' Acts a
huge advantage. Kylie Minogue recently had a UK No.1 Album with 'Golden'. Not one of the Singles off
it even reached the Top 30. If she'd been 'testing the water', she would have thought that she'd better
not release her Album, 'The low Singles Positions show that there is no demand for it'. Instead, she
ignored what the Singles were doing, (or not doing), and she ended up with a No.1 Album.
Cher's 'ABBA' Singles did not do very much - anywhere. But, she has released her Album anyhow, and
it is a Global 'Smash Hit'. It is far more of a success than the 3 Singles off it...
So, ABBA must never, ever decide, on whether to do a New Album, based on anything to do with any
Singles Chart. It would be extremely foolish and self defeating...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 13:52:05 GMT
The only criteria ANY 'classic' act should apply before recording and releasing new material are: Do we have new music in us? Is there something we still want to say? Do we still enjoy the whole creative process? Does the quality of our new stuff stand up beside the quality of our back catalogue?
ABBA are especially fortunate in terms of their ability to withstand a commercial and/or critical 'flop'. In any case, it sometimes takes years for the true worth of new material to be recognised.
As long as ABBA want to do it and believe in their new stuff - whether it's one, two, three, four or fifty-four new songs - they should record and release it.
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