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Post by voulez on Mar 25, 2022 20:50:58 GMT
So, Voyage came about quite organically as a result of the show, and its ever- moving opening due to technical challenges and Corona.
I'd love another album: something a bit more kitch (Angeleyes, Take a Chance On Me, As Good As New). I love Voyage but would have loved it to have had some of Bennys' quirky melodies (Mamma Mia, Money Money Money, Head Over Heels) and some of those great "ahh, haah" backing vocals. Also I Know Him So Well (sang by our wonderful A&F) and Just Like That.
Anyone think they'd be up for another one? Without the expectation of the show, and lockdowns, I bet they could knock out an album within 4-6 months like in the old days. It could actually make Voyage a more complete work/chapter in the body-of-work.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 13:34:59 GMT
Hi Voulez, this is an interesting point and very hard to answer. I think it is a remarkable achievement for ABBA to record " Voyage " 40 years on after the release of " The Visitors ". It is a very good album and Agnetha and Frida still know how to " belt out " a song or two. I adore " Voyage " and it has become my favourite ABBA studio album. I for one would more than welcome another studio output but it may be unlikely as Benny was quite resolute in confirming during a recent interview that " Voyage " would be the very last album from ABBA. You never know he might change his mind. Let's hope so. There are rumours circulating about the possible release of something special to mark the anniversary of 50 years since ABBA first recorded together back in 1972 with " People Need Love " as well as the forthcoming concert in May 2022.
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Post by voulez on Mar 26, 2022 14:02:20 GMT
Hi Eddie. One thing I love about Voyage is that it's a totally new incarnation of ABBA, as it's an older version of them now. I knew all along it would be an album as B&B are too good at what they do to have only done a couple of songs: it wouldn't have satisfied their creativity. A&F are still awesome (and gorgeous). Another album would be amazing, with a picture inside of them now - even them in a music video.
What do you think the major release will be?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2022 14:12:46 GMT
I couldn't agree more Voulez, a totally mature ABBA. Another studio album would be great indeed. The major release could be a boxed set ABBA anthology or a special compilation including the singles from " Voyage " as well as the old classics. Maybe a multitude of coloured vinyls or vinyl box sets. I can't contain my excitement. Watch this space !
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Post by chron on Mar 27, 2022 19:18:11 GMT
How could they get more kitsch than Little Things, I Can Be That Woman and When You Danced With Me?!! I doubt it's very likely at all, but if they did reconvene in the studio for one last time, I'd want the something darker and more downbeat. I'd like to see them taking it into the gloomy territory they hinted at on parts of The Visitors and on things like the verses of Under Attack. I think their handle on melancholy will be one of the qualities that will endure the most, and I'd love them to sign off with some stuff that almost revels in the uncertainty and emotional messiness and impermanence of life.
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Post by chron on Mar 27, 2022 19:21:32 GMT
I'd like their sign-off effort to leave me feeling the sort of chill you get when you're outside in weather colder than you anticipated and you're not wearing enough layers: a lovely, wintry bleakness.
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Post by voulez on Mar 28, 2022 7:20:58 GMT
I'd go along with that. The Visitors is their best work!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2022 21:36:40 GMT
I don't think there will be one. I see the Voyage album has a one-off.
I just appreciate the 40 year comeback.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on May 14, 2022 9:01:06 GMT
If I had to choose one word to describe Voyage that word would be 'bittersweet'. Apart from Little Things, which is pure saccharine, every other track has elements of both hope and sadness, though not necessarily in equal measure.
I'd be over the moon if we got any extra songs after Voyage, but accept that it's, if not impossible, at least unlikely. I'm just grateful we got anything at all after so many decades where it seemed certain they'd never record together again.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 14, 2022 10:50:14 GMT
I think that pretty much sums it up.
We can fantasise about new albums until we're blue in the face, but line has probably been drawn. I suppose the next steps may involve some kind of compilation? The topic of reshaping and reissuing Gold has been mentioned often enough, but will they risk tampering with a proven cash cow? I can't see them squandering the success of the comeback by simply sitting back. Whether those two unreleased songs will see the light of day is up to ABBA - they have a proven track record of teasing/tormenting fans on that front. Let's hope that the Voyage concert project really does deliver the goods. I think that once the general public (and, let's face it, quite a number of devoted fans) get a reasonable understanding of what to expect, the remaining tickets will fly off the shelves. Having spearheaded a groundbreaking development in the entertainment industry would be an incredible way of signing off on an amazing 50-year career.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 7:27:16 GMT
I don't think there will be a new album. Voyage was a one off comeback.
There's a couple of points I'd add.
1. Age. Any new album likely to be next year at the earliest. Frida will be 77 and Agnetha in her 70s too. Their voices, deeper on Voyage but still great. Their is a limit.
2. Motivation. It started with two songs for the Voyage concert. And those two songs ISHFIY and DSMD are the best on the album. It took quite a while to come up with a whole album. What is the motivation for a new album now? In many cases people who argue "Abba have nothing to prove" are the very people who want a new album without acknowledging why ABBA would even want to.
Any new compilation will probably be timed for the 50th anniversary of Waterloo in 2024. That is celebrated more than their actual start.
This year is all about the Voyage concert. And with positive reviews and knowing what the show actually is should help with ticket sales in the autumn and possibly beyond.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 16, 2022 8:08:26 GMT
There is no harm in being Optimistic, and equally Realistic, l am both, if Abba have the desire and Creativity to come together, Two things come to mind, Frida is on record, with saying Never say Never, so she has not Completely Closed the door. Then Benny mentioned two other Songs left over, Why? Knowing, the persistent questions around the 'Just Like That' Saga. Plus The CMP rumours, that he is privvy to some potential exciting News for fans.
Benny & Bjorn are still working, they have their New Musical In Swedish, 'Pippa longstocking' Opening in Stockholm In July; Benny recently said he is enjoying life more in his older years. So only time will reveal, Personally l think there maybe more to come.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 8:13:25 GMT
I hope they regard this year as their 50th, I know a lot of fans have only known them since the 1974 Waterloo win, but the previous two years are just as important in the development of ABBA as the last two years of their initial 10 year run.
As for another album, I am more than happy with Voyage, plus I think a follow up would put more pressure on them. Voyage was surrounded by positive vibes related to their comeback, a follow up would not be. A deluxe version of Voyage would be very welcome to me, but only as long as any additional tracks are good enough.
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Post by Jolie on May 16, 2022 8:42:44 GMT
A deluxe edition with those two unreleased songs and some remixes would be welcomed. A proper video with the avatars for DSMD would also be welcomed.
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Post by richard on May 16, 2022 11:16:27 GMT
I realise now that my post yesterday in the Voyage General Discussion thread about my fantasy of a valedictory double album from ABBA could have gone here, but nevermind. Of course, any new album would depend on whether the ABBA members wanted to do it this late in the day. But if they still felt capable of doing it - for their own satisfaction as much as anyone else's - a final, accomplished, 50th Anniversary album would be wonderful. But, again, if Voyage is it, happiness and gratitude remains.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 12:55:43 GMT
As for another album, I am more than happy with Voyage, plus I think a follow up would put more pressure on them. Voyage was surrounded by positive vibes related to their comeback, a follow up would not be. A deluxe version of Voyage would be very welcome to me, but only as long as any additional tracks are good enough. I agree with this.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 13:07:42 GMT
There is no harm in being Optimistic, and equally Realistic, l am both, if Abba have the desire and Creativity to come together, Two things come to mind, Frida is on record, with saying Never say Never, so she has not Completely Closed the door. Then Benny mentioned two other Songs left over, Why? Knowing, the persistent questions around the 'Just Like That' I don't realistically think they will record another album. It's also optimistic to think ABBA have had a great comeback with their album and can be proud of this in their ABBA retirement. I think Frida might have just been polite. As for Benny's comments, I agree and have said this before. Why raise the issue of 2 unfinished songs? This doesn't mean a new album. More likely those songs, if finished, more likely to be on a deluxe edition of Voyage. Benny has certainly raised hopes in some fans.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 16, 2022 14:48:12 GMT
There's one thing about those two songs that makes me kind of optimistic: Benny has played at least one to an outsider. Didn't Victoria Hesketh/Little Boots say that Benny had played Hit By A Train for her? I have a feeling that it suggests that he did continue to work on the tracks. Whether for a deluxe edition of Voyage, or to beef up a compilation, or for use in a whole new album is anybody's guess. Am I thinking too much into the gesture?
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Post by richard on May 16, 2022 15:16:00 GMT
Frida's "Never say never" probably was just a pleasantly positive thing to say in the circumstances. After the Voyage album came out, Benny and Bjorn emphasised that that was it, so mentioning those two unfinished songs was either being naively informative with no ulterior motive or a careless mistake. Surely not deliberate teasing?
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Post by evilincarnate on May 16, 2022 17:09:44 GMT
When I first heard Frida's interview from late last year and her "never say never" comment, I immediately detected surprise in her voice. I truly believe she was caught unawares by what the interviewer had communicated about Benny's attitude. Of course, I could be wrong about this but my instinct in that moment was that she seemed completely caught off guard because they (the band) most probably have already been recording again or had discussed doing so in the not too distant future. Just a hunch on my part, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 20:05:44 GMT
Thinking about those 2 songs again Benny said they were unfinished and it was he who needed to do work on them. This is very different reaction to Just Like That.
In that Frida interview I got the impression she was surprised by Benny's blunt "this is it" message and they had never formally decided it was the end. That's not the same as they were planning new recordings.
Benny does at times put his foot in it doesn't he?
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Post by undertheappletree on May 17, 2022 5:56:20 GMT
Benny does at times put his foot in it doesn't he? Yes, he does, at times, he shares the same birth sign as myself;) The Comments on why the Gay community fly the flag for Abba, so to speak. But back in the day, being a young teenager, liking Abba it never entered my mind that some of their Songs and Videos were as Camp as Christmas! But today some of each make me Cringe a little. But back to Benny with his foot, Just recently he was talking about ABBA's longevity' and he said something like, " yes it is amazing after all this time, the Corpse still moves, not a very flattering analogy to want to hear imo.
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Post by welshboy on Jun 21, 2022 14:58:54 GMT
If Abba do go back in the studio I don't mind what they bring out as it is always class and the songs always grow on you. At 15 I was not a big fan of the Visitors Album but now at the age of 55 it's my top Abba Album.
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Post by voulez on Jun 21, 2022 15:24:10 GMT
I agree Welshboy. The first time I heard TDBYC I was unimpressed by there being no chorus or harmony… and it’s grown on me as one of their most brilliant songs. The Visitors is my favourite of their work.
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Post by welshboy on Jun 23, 2022 9:50:30 GMT
I think every Album that Abba have released it has taken time to grow on me The Visitors did take a lot longer than most of the others. But Voyage has only taken a few short weeks to get into my brain and love every song. I think it is as I am so much older and have lived a life.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 12:55:52 GMT
I have re-discovered quite a few ABBA songs recently. I agree when " The Day Before You Came " was first released in 1982 it didn't grab me that much. Over the years I have grown to love it. It is a pop masterpiece. Also, I have a fondness for " Dream World ", " Lovelight " and " Hey Hey Helen ". I was never that keen on " Angeleyes " but it has really grown on me. As with all of ABBA's albums the songs do take time to grow on you.
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Post by lamont on Jun 23, 2022 16:22:59 GMT
I have re-discovered quite a few ABBA songs recently. I agree when " The Day Before You Came " was first released in 1982 it didn't grab me that much. Over the years I have grown to love it. It is a pop masterpiece. Also, I have a fondness for " Dream World ", " Lovelight " and " Hey Hey Helen ". I was never that keen on " Angeleyes " but it has really grown on me. As with all of ABBA's albums the songs do take time to grow on you. Always loved Lovelight, it’s like a bridge between The Album and Voulez Vous, love Angeleyes too, a simple pop song but with Supremes-Esque pop. I wrote in the ‘greatest moments in ABBA songs thread’ that I get goosebumps when Agnetha takes lead in the line: “he took my heart…” her delivery is full of pain and anguish which adds gravitas to the track. The scene in Mamma Mia 2 is really funny too!
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Post by Michal on Jun 24, 2022 19:27:15 GMT
Angeleyes has been my favourite since I first heard it on the Greatest Hits Vol.2 The lyrics are very good rhytmically - they're sort of percussive during the verses (a good example..."and I saw him ToGeTher With A YOUng Girl...", if you know what I mean), while they really flow during the choruses. I love that contrast.
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Post by voulez on Jun 24, 2022 19:46:21 GMT
AngelEyes is one of those perfect ABBA songs for me: a throwaway love story with great harmony and that great orchestral stuff from the American guy who contributed to the Voulez Vous album (don’t know his name). I’m very surprised it isn’t being used in the show because that ‘Aahh, ha, ha’ bit could sound great as the crowd participate.
Dream World is great - I love that too, it has great energy.
I wonder what there truly is sitting in the vaults. I know it isn’t our business really as it belongs to the group but I bet there’s some really interesting stuff in the vaults that even Carl Magnus Palm hasn’t heard. Of course I’d know what he’s heard if I’d purchased his book but I’m not willing to pay his p1ss-taking price, especially for a pdf.
Maybe we’ll get that Anthology one day…
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Post by Alan on Jun 24, 2022 21:11:06 GMT
AngelEyes is one of those perfect ABBA songs for me: a throwaway love story Er… have you actually read the lyrics? This is anything but “throwaway”. It’s about a young person that’s been taken advantage of by an older person, and they’re now looking on in horror as he does it to someone else, and a “young girl” at that. There was a cover version of this once that changed it to “young boy” which made it sound even more sinister (not that the original isn’t bad enough).
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