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Post by richard on May 8, 2022 12:40:47 GMT
I'm somewhat reluctant to mention this again, but if you look at some of the photos of Benny and Frida at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2010, there might be something detectable there as to why ABBA didn't get back together earlier. Years of wonderful music-making opportunities missed, imo. But still fantastic that the Voyage album happened; and of course a lot of its enthusiastic reception stemmed from their 40 years of not doing music together. And I still hold a vague hope that, provided, Agnetha and Frida's voices have held up, we might get a final 50th Anniversary album that includes the two unfinished songs.
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on May 8, 2022 15:13:51 GMT
While listening to Ode To Freedom. It just struck me how much this track reminds me of Hole In Your Soul. Does anybody think else this or is it just me imagination? I'd like to hear more about why you think this, as on the surface I can scarcely think of two ABBA songs which are *less* similar than them...
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Post by bennybjorn on May 8, 2022 15:58:39 GMT
While listening to Ode To Freedom. It just struck me how much this track reminds me of Hole In Your Soul. Does anybody think else this or is it just me imagination? I'd like to hear more about why you think this, as on the surface I can scarcely think of two ABBA songs which are *less* similar than them... I'm a little puzzled, too, Clumsy Clown (although that's not saying much these days). I think others likened Hole in Your Soul to No Doubt About It, and I can kinda see that. Maybe that's what @darinjulian23 meant?
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Post by lamont on May 8, 2022 16:16:59 GMT
I think it’s the middle 8 of Hole In Your Soul: “you paint the world and use old colours..” part they mean, melody is a bit similar z
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Post by Alan on May 8, 2022 19:23:30 GMT
I think it’s the middle 8 of Hole In Your Soul: “you paint the world and use old colours..” part they mean, melody is a bit similar z That part of Hole In Your Soul is itself based on Get on the Carousel isn’t it?
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Post by daronjulian on May 8, 2022 19:33:13 GMT
It is the fast singing and uptempo music that reminds me of HIYS.
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 8, 2022 22:47:46 GMT
I think it’s the middle 8 of Hole In Your Soul: “you paint the world and use old colours..” part they mean, melody is a bit similar z That part of Hole In Your Soul is itself based on Get on the Carousel isn’t it? Yes that part of 'Hole In Your Soul' is from 'Get On The Carousel' the part 'The roundabout is just beginning'
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 9, 2022 1:28:00 GMT
Where did the information come from that one of the two songs left off the 'Voyage' album is called 'Hit Me Like A Train' when did that get revealed.
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Post by undertheappletree on May 9, 2022 3:13:08 GMT
Was it Pop Justice Site'? Maybe it's just a line in the Song, not the actual Title?, l hope not anyway. Its painful! subtlety it's not. How about, It knocked me off my feet' at Waterloo Station..
The Sun Rag, has jumped on the fact Voyage Tickets are not Selling well for the Second Quarter, and maybe discounts,Two for the Price of One!?
I Thought there would be More Promotion, especially seeing its also the 50th Anniversary Year Time to brush the cobwebs off and roll out the Girls.
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Post by Alan on May 9, 2022 7:09:35 GMT
Where did the information come from that one of the two songs left off the 'Voyage' album is called 'Hit Me Like A Train' when did that get revealed. Hit By A Train was apparently mentioned by Little Boots, who’s part of the live band. She mentioned it in an interview, I understand, though I haven’t seen it.
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Post by justabba on May 9, 2022 7:16:12 GMT
Where did the information come from that one of the two songs left off the 'Voyage' album is called 'Hit Me Like A Train' when did that get revealed. Hit By A Train was apparently mentioned by Little Boots, who’s part of the live band. She mentioned it in an interview, I understand, though I haven’t seen it. That's my understanding too. Apparently Benny played it to her. It was someone on Facebook who stated it was recorded in 2019.
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Post by justabba on May 10, 2022 8:39:19 GMT
Carl Magnus Palm just announced his book is now delayed to 2023...
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Post by foreverfan on May 10, 2022 9:09:25 GMT
^^^^Do you think he’s taking the P**s.... Ok I haven’t invested, but a friend of mine has, and CMP has his money for how long now !!!! By 2023, it will have been two years, since Voyage, ( depending on release dates) Doe CP know something we don’t ?
So if true come on Carl, I know your a great fan etc, but your taking a bit of a Liberty....
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 9:27:32 GMT
Maybe CMP just wants to get the Voyage concert and any other ABBA activity this year. That makes sense to me. Why have a complete biography that isn't and excludes the concert.
This naturally delays things a few months.
That said, he knew about the concert starting late May and he should have realised this meant a later release date for his book.
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Post by evilincarnate on May 10, 2022 17:09:38 GMT
I too am hoping CMP has some inside information. Considering that the recording of 'Voyage' spanned more than four years, I think there is a possibility that the basis for a follow-up album exists (not just two unfinished tracks as stated by Benny). The Bernard Lohr interview from late last year (preceding the release of 'Voyage') indicated that there were at least a few recorded songs not included on the album (I can't remember the exact quote but it seemed like more than two). He stated that three versions of "Ode To Freedom" were recorded so perhaps time was spent on alternate versions of other released album tracks and maybe I'm reading too much into this possibility, but I strongly suspect that the groundwork for another album was laid prior to the September 2021 announcement of 'Voyage'. Considering that the original recording concept was simply two songs ("I Still Have Faith In You" and "Don't Shut Me Down") for concert inclusion and that the project evolved piece by piece as their collective enthusiasm grew (with added Covid-related delays/interruptions), it is conceivable that a lot more work was done than we realise. I accept that Benny and Bjorn don't write at the pace they did during their heyday but I wouldn't be surprised if other songs were written/demoed during the last few years. There has been a suggestion (from fans) that the recording of "Just A Notion" was a last minute decision to augment the track-listing for 'Voyage' but I tend to think it may have been to salvage other new compositions that have been stashed away for future release. Something tells me that if the desire is still there for ABBA to continue (despite Benny's and Bjorn's comments from late last year), pursuing one last album (the all important number 10) is a distinct possibility - maybe with a firmer schedule, devoid of interruptions, which would allow for a more cohesive, thematic album (not the pseudo 'best of' retro-fest that Voyage became). Frida clearly is keen; Agnetha seems cautious but optimistic; Bjorn appears open to the possibility (though he concurred with Benny's statement of not continuing beyond 'Voyage') and even Benny commented that the girls could "twist his arm" so who knows? I would even suggest that Bjorn's creative muse might have been reawakened in the aftermath of his pending divorce but I also concede that the separation may have occurred some time ago (despite the recent announcement). In any case, I suspect CMP knows something we don't but obviously can't disclose anything at this stage. At the very least, he seems to have inside information regarding the recording of 'Voyage' (which will likely form a passage of his upcoming book) but given that he will likely want this to be a complete and up-to-date account of ABBA's activities, it could include details of their yet to be released final album (possibly due in 2023). I'm still astounded that those 'in the know' didn't confirm the recording of 'Voyage' prior to last year's announcement so this camp of trusted insiders truly adhere to the code of confidentiality. We shall see what transpires in the fullness of time.
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Post by foreverfan on May 10, 2022 17:30:58 GMT
^^^^ now that’s optimism... good for you... Even if half of it was to come true I’d be happy.. I’m realistic, and yes they can’t go on forever...
Great first post and name...
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Post by bennybjorn on May 10, 2022 17:43:51 GMT
I too am hoping CMP has some inside information. Considering that the recording of 'Voyage' spanned more than four years, I think there is a possibility that the basis for a follow-up album exists (not just two unfinished tracks as stated by Benny). The Bernard Lohr interview from late last year (preceding the release of 'Voyage') indicated that there were at least a few recorded songs not included on the album (I can't remember the exact quote but it seemed like more than two). He stated that three versions of "Ode To Freedom" were recorded so perhaps time was spent on alternate versions of other released album tracks and maybe I'm reading too much into this possibility, but I strongly suspect that the groundwork for another album was laid prior to the September 2021 announcement of 'Voyage'. Considering that the original recording concept was simply two songs ("I Still Have Faith In You" and "Don't Shut Me Down") for concert inclusion and that the project evolved piece by piece as their collective enthusiasm grew (with added Covid-related delays/interruptions), it is conceivable that a lot more work was done than we realise. I accept that Benny and Bjorn don't write at the pace they did during their heyday but I wouldn't be surprised if other songs were written/demoed during the last few years. There has been a suggestion (from fans) that the recording of "Just A Notion" was a last minute decision to augment the track-listing for 'Voyage' but I tend to think it may have been to salvage other new compositions that have been stashed away for future release. Something tells me that if the desire is still there for ABBA to continue (despite Benny's and Bjorn's comments from late last year), pursuing one last album (the all important number 10) is a distinct possibility - maybe with a firmer schedule, devoid of interruptions, which would allow for a more cohesive, thematic album (not the pseudo 'best of' retro-fest that Voyage became). Frida clearly is keen; Agnetha seems cautious but optimistic; Bjorn appears open to the possibility (though he concurred with Benny's statement of not continuing beyond 'Voyage') and even Benny commented that the girls could "twist his arm" so who knows? I would even suggest that Bjorn's creative muse might have been reawakened in the aftermath of his pending divorce but I also concede that the separation may have occurred some time ago (despite the recent announcement). In any case, I suspect CMP knows something we don't but obviously can't disclose anything at this stage. At the very least, he seems to have inside information regarding the recording of 'Voyage' (which will likely form a passage of his upcoming book) but given that he will likely want this to be a complete and up-to-date account of ABBA's activities, it could include details of their yet to be released final album (possibly due in 2023). I'm still astounded that those 'in the know' didn't confirm the recording of 'Voyage' prior to last year's announcement so this camp of trusted insiders truly adhere to the code of confidentiality. We shall see what transpires in the fullness of time. Yes, Mr Incarnate. I have posted similarly about the pretty strong likelihood of more Abba songs. Why? 1. The group managed to write and record an album under very little pressure, seemingly coming together every few months when they felt tike it. So why not continue doing this going forward if they enjoy it, and whilst they have their health and singing/songwriting abilities? 2. Agnetha and Frida succeeded in their aim of avoiding any of the promotional duties that typically go with releasing a new album (all I heard of was the Zoe Ball interview with Frida which she was clearly happy to do). 3. The album was very well received (for Abba). Hasn't won any specific critical awards (although received a couple of nominations) but scored over 70% on Meta Critic which is good 4. Commercially, it has probably done a lot better than they or the record company expected (even if the Voyage concerts don't revive sales further) and will surely have covered all the associated costs and made a fair amount on top. I'd still say the chances of a new album are under 50% but perhaps not far under. And I reckon there is a much greater chance of hearing those two extra songs. Here's hoping!
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Post by foreverfan on May 10, 2022 17:59:38 GMT
Where’s all this optimism coming from...lol... There’s no harm in hoping, after all we all did for 40 years and that dream came true.....
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Post by Alan on May 10, 2022 19:26:27 GMT
To lighten the mood (!), No Doubt About It was playing in the gay club at the end of EastEnders tonight, just as Ben mistakenly beat up his husband outside.
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Post by abbafanie on May 10, 2022 22:08:35 GMT
To lighten the mood (!), No Doubt About It was playing in the gay club at the end of EastEnders tonight, just as Ben mistakenly beat up his husband outside. It wasn't actually his husband, it was his nephew (a weird family tree if ever I saw one) Peter Beale. It was great to hear it - second time it's been played on EastEnders in a month! They've also played Don't Shut Me Down a few times and ISHFIY if I remember correctly.
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Post by Alan on May 10, 2022 22:15:21 GMT
Oops, thanks abbafanie. I thought it was Callum. Let’s hope Peter remembers and is able to link it to Ben. I think I only heard No Doubt About It once when it was playlisted on Radio 2. Little Things a few times, but Just A Notion quite a lot. Don’t Shut Me Down the most, though rarely heard I Still Have Faith In You. All seems quite a long time ago now. We really do need an all-new single, so the optimistic posts on here today are very welcome!
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Post by abbafanie on May 10, 2022 22:33:42 GMT
Oops, thanks abbafanie . I thought it was Callum. Let’s hope Peter remembers and is able to link it to Ben. I think I only heard No Doubt About It once when it was playlisted on Radio 2. Little Things a few times, but Just A Notion quite a lot. Don’t Shut Me Down the most, though rarely heard I Still Have Faith In You. All seems quite a long time ago now. We really do need an all-new single, so the optimistic posts on here today are very welcome! No problem, I'm finding the Ben storylines really exhausting so hearing NDAI sparked me to life! You're right actually, JAN was played for a good amount of time at the end of the episode (in Phil's house with Kat, Stacey, Jean and the kids) a couple of weeks ago too. There's definitely an ABBA fan among the EastEnders crew!
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Post by AdamDawson2003 on May 11, 2022 9:22:42 GMT
To lighten the mood (!), No Doubt About It was playing in the gay club at the end of EastEnders tonight, just as Ben mistakenly beat up his husband outside. It wasn't actually his husband, it was his nephew (a weird family tree if ever I saw one) Peter Beale. It was great to hear it - second time it's been played on EastEnders in a month! They've also played Don't Shut Me Down a few times and ISHFIY if I remember correctly. I heard 'I Can Be That Woman' & 'When You Danced With Me' in a few episodes earlier in the year
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Post by clumsylikeaclown on May 11, 2022 10:41:05 GMT
To lighten the mood (!), No Doubt About It was playing in the gay club at the end of EastEnders tonight, just as Ben mistakenly beat up his husband outside. Real talk,I think that No Doubt About It is the most 'traditionally ABBA' song on Voyage. You could slot it into any album from 'ABBA' through to 'Super Trouper' and not have it be out of place. And the chorus is super danceable in a way that ISHFIY and DSMD aren't (though both are superior songs overall IMO). And the 'this isn't where it ends' part of the outro even has *vocals* that sound just like their prime. When I first heard that song I assumed the subtext was much darker than it was. Then Bjorn confirmed that it shouldn't be taken too seriously, and Frida gleefully said it could easily apply to her and her beloved.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 11:04:37 GMT
I agree with that about No Doubt About it. It is "typical ABBA" but not the best track on Voyage. No, that isn't a contradiction.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 17:54:41 GMT
Shame to hear Harry has left. Maybe he is taking a break. Come back soon.
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Post by Michal on May 11, 2022 18:53:40 GMT
Where’s all this optimism coming from...lol... There’s no harm in hoping, after all we all did for 40 years and that dream came true..... We're probably getting carried away a bit here... But it's not bad to dream
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Post by welshboy on May 12, 2022 14:09:32 GMT
As for the whole Voyage theme we can only go on what we have seen so far. It could be good or bad. The voyage Album was talked about for some time and it turned out great, Well I love the 10 tracks all of them. Abba would not put their name to anything they were not happy with, so not long to go and then we can all see and hear what they have been up to all these months.
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Post by HOMETIME on May 12, 2022 14:17:21 GMT
I definitely agree with evilincarnate that there are bound to be alternate versions of other tracks on Voyage. It would be fascinating to know what went on in the studio. It seems like an appendix for CMP's "Complete Recording Sessions" rather than "On The Record." Maybe? The idea that the groundwork for a tenth album has been laid is tantalising. Depending on how many workable melodies Benny has stashed away, Bjorn could already be tapping away at lyrics. The women need only be drafted in when the backing tracks have been assembled. The next album (if such a thing could happen) would most likely get a more muted response. The magic of the comeback has been spent on the massive success of the Voyage album. A follow-up album might not enjoy the same rapturous reception; the chart performance might be slightly dimmer. Unless, of course, they have a new classic or two up their sleeves. We can only cross our fingers.
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Post by bennybjorn on May 12, 2022 14:21:21 GMT
I definitely agree with evilincarnate that there are bound to be alternate versions of other tracks on Voyage. It would be fascinating to know what went on in the studio. It seems like an appendix for CMP's "Complete Recording Sessions" rather than "On The Record." Maybe? The idea that the groundwork for a tenth album has been laid is tantalising. Depending on how many workable melodies Benny has stashed away, Bjorn could already be tapping away at lyrics. The women need only be drafted in when the backing tracks have been assembled. The next album (if such a thing could happen) would most likely get a more muted response. The magic of the comeback has been spent on the massive success of the Voyage album. A follow-up album might not enjoy the same rapturous reception; the chart performance might be slightly dimmer. Unless, of course, they have a new classic or two up their sleeves. We can only cross our fingers. You're quite right about the impact of any follow-up. I've seen loads of acts enjoy relatively big commercial success with their first comeback album after having been away. But the following album has nowhere near the same profile largely because it's just not as newsworthy. If Abba were to produce another, it would need to have 4 or 5 top-tier songs (rather than Voyage's 2 or 3) and nothing as bad as Little Things, for the album to fare equally well. They can do it!
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