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Post by gary on Jul 25, 2018 8:04:11 GMT
^ All fair points. I’d rather the whole Mamma Mia thing existed than didn’t, even if it means that Cher’s Fernando is a thing!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:17:32 GMT
^ All fair points. I’d rather the whole Mamma Mia thing existed than didn’t, even if it means that Cher’s Fernando is a thing! On balance, I agree. The stage musical and the first film - no real problem, though some really hardcore ABBA fans might beg to differ. The real frustration about the second film is that it's such a missed opportunity. It's not only all over the place in terms of structure and narrative; it's not only handicapped by a good deal of bang-average singing and (frankly) bang-average acting; it's the use, placement, choice and treatment of songs - and there's really no excuse for that. Screen time taken up by the likes of 'Andante Andante', the bizarre take on WIKTT and repetition of songs from the first film (though revisiting MM and DQ was, of course, pretty much mandatory) could have been so much better utilised by developing a plot enabling use of tracks like SNC, HIYB, Tiger, So Long, Ring Ring and sundry other candidates that could have given the film more up-tempo oomph. I wonder (!) whether this movie is a classic case of 'too many cooks' when, really, you'd only want B&B, the Director and the screenplay writer in the kitchen. Just speculating. It has that feel of trying to integrate too many people's ideas. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:20:03 GMT
I've just returned from the cinema and I have to admit the movie is a real crap, especially the first half. her sequel... Pretty much agree with all of this - though my 'review' has been moved to another thread ('Mamma Mia sequel'). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 14:40:40 GMT
MM2 Soundtrack No.1 and MM1 No.3 on the Swedish Compilations Album Charts.
MM2 No. 3, ABBA GOLD No. 17, Piano No. 20 on the Swedish Physical Album Charts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 18:31:48 GMT
It looks like there will be some 'controversy' over the 'Mamma Mia!' Songs in the UK Top 100 this Friday.
There are 4 of them in the Mid Week Top 100, but only 3 Songs from the same Album are allowed into the Top 100, at the same time.
So Fans of 'The Greatest Showman' are angry, as that has never been allowed more than 3 Hits at once.
Other people are saying that 'Dancing Queen' is being allowed to Chart as The OCC are counting its Streams from both 'Mamma Mia!'
Soundtracks, and as both are in the Top 5, it is able to enter the Top 100.
The other 3 'Mamma Mia!' Songs are just from 'Mamma Mia! 2' - so the '3 Song Rule' has not been broken.
The 4 'Mamma Mia!' Songs in the Wednesday Mid Week Top 100 are:
Top 45: When I Kissed The Teacher
Top 50: Why Did It Have To Be Me
Top 65: Andante, Andante -- @@@
Top 90: Dancing Queen
@@@ = 'Andante Andante' rose above the Sales of 'Fernando', so Cher's Track has been been removed from the Chart.
Otherwise 'Mamma Mia! 2' would have 4 Songs in the Top 100 and it can 'only' have 3...
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 1, 2018 20:06:45 GMT
Shame about the 3 track rule, but we can't have one rule for one and not another, secretly though , unlikely to have happened,but 10 plus tracks in the chart...that would've been amazing...
Still we may have by the end of the week , 3 new ABBA tracks in the charts that have never charted before.
It would have been interesting to see where the other tracks would've been if allowed.
The biggest surprise I guess is Andante Andante, ahead of My Love My Life and I've Been Waiting For You. The other two tracks I can understand, uptempo and fun.
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Post by gary on Aug 2, 2018 9:18:33 GMT
Nice to see multiple ‘ABBA’ songs in the chart, even if most of them aren’t really ABBA. And it’s good that they aren’t just the ‘boring’ old hits such as Waterloo, Mamma Mia and Dancing Queen!
Colin, am I right in thinking that, back in ABBA’s heyday, they never had more than one single in the chart at any given time? So now must be the most ‘ABBA’ songs in the chart at the same time! In 2018!
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 2, 2018 10:12:57 GMT
Dancing Queen and Money Money Money, both lower end of the top 40
Gimme Gimme Gimme and I Have Dream, extreme ends of the top 75
but never 3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 11:34:31 GMT
Gary -- Epic Records were always very 'safe' with UK ABBA Singles. They liked to ensure that each Single was either
out of the Chart, or at a low Chart Position, before releasing the follow-up.
So there was never any chance of ABBA having 2 UK Top 10 Singles at once, as sometimes happened in Germany.
In Germany 'Waterloo' and 'Honey Honey' shared the Top 10 for several Weeks. 'Mamma Mia' and 'Fernando' were
Top 10 at the same time - but only for 1 Week. Also 'Dancing Queen' and 'Money, Money, Money' - again, only for
1 Week. ('Waterloo' and 'Honey Honey' were in the same German Top 10 for 6 Weeks - 3 of them in the Top 5, at
the same time).
Graham -- I'm about to Email the 6 OCC Staff that I know. I'll ask them if they can make the '3 Songs - Same Artist'
Chart Rule, a '5 Songs - Same Artist' Rule. A lot of people think that 5 Songs is more sensible, and that 3 is too few.
ABBA -- So far - no actual Songs by ABBA have re-entered the UK Top 100. In 2008, 'Mamma Mia! 1' caused 'Mamma Mia'
to reach No.56 and 'Dancing Queen' to reach No.82. This time, it does not look like ABBA will get any 'Singles' Hits due to
'Mamma Mia! 2'. Probably because 'ABBA Gold' has sold over a Million more UK copies since Film 1 was released. But, that
would not affect non-'Gold' 'Mamma Mia! 2' Songs from entering the Top 100 - meaning ABBA's original versions...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 18:38:56 GMT
I've now heard that 'Dancing Queen' will not be in tomorrow's Weekly UK Top 100.
The OCC have realised that it would have broken the '3 Tracks From 1 Album Rule'.
So, tomorrow - the only 3 UK Top 100 Songs from 'Mamma Mia! 2' will be:
When I Kissed The Teacher, Why Did It Have To Be Me?' and 'Andante Andante'.
If the Rule was 5 Tracks, then 'Fernando' and 'Dancing Queen' would also be in.
ABBA -- It is looking doubtful if any actual Songs, by ABBA themselves, will enter the
UK Top 100 this time. In 2008, the 1st 'Mamma Mia!' Film, caused 'Mamma Mia' to reach
No.56 and 'Dancing Queen' to reach No.82. This time, there is no sign of ABBA in the UK
Singles Chart.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:35:42 GMT
Same positions this week on the Swedish Compilations Album Charts: Mamma Mia HWGA Soundtrack No.1 and Mamma Mia No.3.
Mamma Mia HWGA up one place to No. 2 on the Swedish Physical Album Charts.
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Post by gary on Aug 3, 2018 20:08:48 GMT
Wow! Arrival is back in the UK album chart!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 16:10:32 GMT
Gary -- 'Arrival' has its 1st UK Chart Entry since W/E 13th January 1979, because it has 2 Songs on
it that you can only get on that ABBA Album.
People have heard them in 'Mamma Mia! 2' and they like them.
They are 'My Love, My Life' and 'Why Did It Have To Be Me?'.
That is why people are buying 'Arrival'.
They are not on 'ABBA Gold', 'More ABBA Gold', or even the Triple 'ABBA Gold' from 2014.
Of course, 'When I Kissed The Teacher' is also on 'Arrival', but people can also get that on 'More ABBA Gold',
and the 2014 Triple 'ABBA Gold'.
EIGHT 'MAMMA MIA! 2' UK TOP 75 SONGS
'Mamma Mia! 2' would have 8 Songs in the latest UK Top 75. However, 5 have been removed, as you can only
have 3 Tracks - from the same Album - in the same Chart.
'Mamma Mia' would be a New Entry at No.62, if it were not 'banned'. It was only 8 Sales behind 'Andante Andante',
which is at No.61.
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Post by gary on Aug 4, 2018 16:46:26 GMT
^ Well, as we’ve always said, the uneducated public would like the less well-known songs if they heard them!
It would be interesting to know what other songs would be in the chart if it wasn’t for the three-song rule.
Also whether any other ABBA studio albums are anywhere near the chart.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 19:12:24 GMT
Gary -- The 5 'Mamma Mia! 2' Songs that are 'banned' from the Singles Chart Top 100 will be
'Mamma Mia' 'Dancing Queen', 'Angel Eyes', 'Fernando' and 'My Love, My Life' - at a guess.
Maybe 'I've Been Waiting For You' instead of one of those 5. 'Super Trouper' is popular too.
If any of those 7 Tracks start to outsell any of the 3 that are in the Top 75, then The OCC will
remove them, and replace them with the 'New' Tracks from the Film. So, we could see more
Tracks in the Top 100 quite soon. Benny and Bjorn will never have had so many UK Hits in
such a short time before! (The 3 current Hits are counted as New Benny and Bjorn Hits, as
none of them has been in the UK Charts before. The same if 'I've Been Waiting For You' and
'My Love, My Life' become UK Top 100 Hits).
That is what happened with 'The Greatest Showman'. No less than 7 of its 11 Tracks were UK
Hit 'Singles'. But, no more than 3 were allowed into the Top 100 at once. Five of them made
the Top 30 - 3 in the Top 20. The biggest Hit was 'This Is Me' - a No.3 Hit. It was due to all
the Hit 'Singles' from it, that the Soundtrack was so huge. It is now on its 30th+ Top 5 Week
in the UK, with 21 of them being at No.1.
The more Hit 'Singles' that 'Mamma Mia! 2' has, the more attention its Soundtrack will get.
People seem to be calming down about Film 2 being 'awful' and 'not as good as the first one'.
They have been going back to see it, and they like it far more than the first viewing. So, that
has helped with them wanting to buy the Soundtrack and ABBA Albums. One Guy went to see
it 5 times in one day/night! A lot of people are seeing it 2 or 3 times a Week. So, after the
initial criticism, the cash is rolling in after all...
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Post by shoshin on Aug 4, 2018 20:33:25 GMT
Gary -- 'Arrival' has its 1st UK Chart Entry since W/E 13th January 1979, because it has 2 Songs on it that you can only get on that ABBA Album. People have heard them in 'Mamma Mia! 2' and they like them. They are 'My Love, My Life' and 'Why Did It Have To Be Me?'. That is why people are buying 'Arrival'...
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Post by gary on Aug 5, 2018 7:33:49 GMT
^ A friend of mine, who otherwise seems fairly sensible, has been to see MM2 twice, and has twice been moved to tears. I must be a hard b*stard, as it didn’t get me that way at all. I did find the Slipping Through My Fingers sequence in MM1 quite touching.
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Post by Michal on Aug 5, 2018 8:56:40 GMT
I wasn't moved by MM2 in any way either but maybe it was out of the shock… Maybe I'll have to give it a second chance. And I will anyway, as I certainly will buy the DVD, when it comes out. I haven't bought the soundtrack yet, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 9:04:15 GMT
^ A friend of mine, who otherwise seems fairly sensible, has been to see MM2 twice, and has twice been moved to tears. I'll hold my hand up as someone who found the whole IBWFY/MLML section very 'moving'. My extenuating circumstance is that our daughter's pregnant for the first time, so that part of the film hit close to home. It certainly helped blot out the memory of the first half of the movie, which was - to coin a phrase - absolutely frickin' dire. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:51:40 GMT
Sorry you are all wrong with the negativity.
It’s much better than the first film.
For a start, the main characters can actually sing. They give the musical numbers gravitas compared to the tongue in cheek approach in the first film.
It’s slow to start but it gets better as it goes on and the last 30 minutes is great.
Of course, it’s more melancholic and downbeat than the first one - but that’s how Abba were. They had the unique gift of writing really hard, bleak songs within a euphoric musical score. People sing Abba songs and love them even though they are usually singing lyrics about divorce or loss or longing for someone or something they can’t have.
I agree on no third film though.
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Post by foreverfan on Aug 6, 2018 16:16:53 GMT
^^^^ I have agree with your first comment and wrote so in a previous article I think in this post. Like everyone it's all down to personal taste, there will be some who wish even MM1 let alone MM2 was never made, they have never even seen it, but love to comment , which is their perogative . It's not going to be the same as each other in terms of success, and who really knows the final figures, it's ten years ago since MM1 the whole world has changed in consumption of music and how it's played let alone bought. so personally, I'm glad both films are around, yes neither are going to win an oscar, they are fun, so much of what this crazy world is lacking. Both films for right and possibly wrong reasons bring ABBA back to the public, and more music being played. would I rather neither was here... No. the alternative, none of this hype would be happening all over again and quite probably ABBA would have slowly faded and there would have been no new singles to look forward too. Just a personal point of view of course...  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 17:10:30 GMT
One of the reasons why Film 1 was so huge, was the same one as the Stage Show - It was fun and a great sing-a-long.
(Many people say that Film 2 is too serious).
By making Film 2 start with the death of a big character, it gave them an excuse to choose several slow ABBA Songs.
However, it also stopped Film 2 being as 'fun' as the Stage Show and Film 1.
There was no reason to make Film 2 more doom and gloom.
I've not seen it, but several people say that the 1st half is rather dull in parts.
There is no point in a Film 3. The Plot is sure to be dismal and childish. Benny and Bjorn are sure to think that
they have to re-use 'Dancing Queen' and 'Mamma Mia' etc. - yet again. It would look very unimaginative and
lazy. The Soundtrack would struggle to sell.
Each Song in the Films should have had a 'Set Piece' - like 'Waterloo' did. To make each one a spectacle.
But that was too much to ask.
Also, I notice that 'Dancing Queen' has a big 'Set Piece' in Film 2, with many more people joining in the
singing. However, the richness of the version in Film 1 is not there. The vocals sound weaker in Film 2. As
does the instrumental backing. It was Benny who 'mixed' the Film 2 version, so he could have multi-tracked
the sound, and he's not done it. The same for 'Angel Eyes'. That too has weak vocals compared to ABBA's
original version.
For all of its faults, Film 2 is a big cash success. It took in more than it cost to make after just 1 Week. So,
it is not going to do as well as Film 1, but it has been a big success.
Benny and Bjorn and Universal etc., will be seeing how much Profit it makes. They will not care that it will
be no-where near as much as the 1st Film made...
Ol Parker - the Director - has said that it was his Daughter's idea to make Film 2 a Prequel and a Sequel,
at the same time. It was done in 'Godfather 2' and she thought it could work for 'Mamma Mia! 2'. So that
is where that idea came from. A lot of people are not keen on the idea at all, but Ol's Daughter knows best.
We'd best not have a Film 3. We might end up with a Plot by a Paper Boy or the Nanny!!!
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Post by madonnabba on Aug 7, 2018 8:46:52 GMT
Yet to see MM2 but heard a lot of positive feedback from people who have seen it. Don’t think a 3rd movie would be a good idea. The pool of music has got so much smaller with almost all the recognisable songs used. And it would be incredibly difficult to get all the cast members to be free for a third film. Better to quit on a high. And where could you take the story involving all the cast members? Maybe the next consideration would be a stage production of Mamma Mia 2 as people will by then be familiar with the lesser known songs in Mamma Mia 2. Maybe even a tv mini series in the future where the story could be fleshed out a little( just thinking back to when Fame was a hit on tv in the 80s). Though I think the mini series would have to be a new cast which might not work as audiences have the original characters from the films etched into their minds. Still puzzled why Summer night city could not have been included in the new film. Maybe when Sky was moving to the City adding a more uptempo song to the beginning of the film.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 9:44:15 GMT
Still puzzled why Summer night city could not have been included in the new film. Maybe when Sky was moving to the City adding a more uptempo song to the beginning of the film. I completely agree. The inclusion of SNC seems a no-brainer for a feel-good film with a summer release date! Would have provided the movie with some much-needed extra zip too. With the right mix/production, it surely would have 'showstopper' written all over it. And if they could shoe-horn WIKTT into the plot, SNC shouldn't have posed too many problems. |
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Post by hejiranyc on Aug 7, 2018 19:04:52 GMT
So we got a movie centered Donna, then her daughter, so why not grandma Cher for MM3? She has basically already recorded the soundtrack. Doesn't have to be a terribly original plot - story of teenage lovers who got torn apart in the war; Fernando struggled in life and Cher went on to much fame and fortune, but her life was never complete without Fernando. Then they reunite passionately... but there is a secret twist that is unveiled at the end. I'm sure they could even get Andy Garcia to come back and do it; it isn't like his dance card is terribly full these days. I think an entire musical film built around Cher playing a character who is basically a drag version of Cher amidst a background of ABBA songs would be perhaps the greatest feat of modern cinema.
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Post by abbagage on Aug 7, 2018 22:34:48 GMT
I too am really glad to see more positivity about MM2 here. This film takes you to a joyful place even though the pace may be a little slow at the start.
I went back to see it for a second time one morning last week and I enjoyed it more on a repeat viewing - and I picked up on dialogue and nuances that I had missed first time around. Plus, I stayed till the very end this time (of course). Yes, it's cheesy and yes, there are moments that made me cringe a little, but I really came out of the cinema with my head in a happy state. There are some really funny one liners in the film. Tanya can do no wrong, in my book, and I think she has the best line in the whole film. Super Trouper is one of the musical highlights for me and, unlike others, I think I prefer Dancing Queen in the new film to DQ in MM1 - both are exhilarating clips but it touched me more in its latest interpretation.
In the UK, MM2 is a huge hit - it was nudging £40 million at the box office after its third weekend. It's going down a storm. That is brilliant considering the hot weather. Let's see how it lasts over the rest of the summer. Anyway, I urge everyone who's dismissed it without seeing it to give it a shot. Plus, look what's it doing for the profile of our favourite group!
Oh, and I think I may disagree with one of the posts above about Ol Parker's daughter being the source for the 'now and then' storyline - I read it was Richard Curtis's pink-haired daughter (Scarlett) who we have to thank for that! Make of that what you will.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 6:30:41 GMT
Gary -- 'Arrival' has its 1st UK Chart Entry since W/E 13th January 1979, because it has 2 Songs on it that you can only get on that ABBA Album. People have heard them in 'Mamma Mia! 2' and they like them. They are 'My Love, My Life' and 'Why Did It Have To Be Me?'. That is why people are buying 'Arrival'...
A lot of recent YouTube comments about ABBA's My Love, My Life are from people seeking it out having just seen MM2. Almost all of them state that they were moved to tears by it in the movie. What's that all about? I've also noticed those comments. Although I haven't watched the movie myself, I'm not surprised, and happy to see that it gets the recognition it deserves. It's up there with the greatest Puccini arias. |
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Post by madonnabba on Aug 12, 2018 7:56:25 GMT
Maybe Universal should push Arrival again ....6 of the 10 songs 7 of 11 if you include Fernando are now known to a wider audience. A quick promo campaign ......Like what you hear, try listening here...with a few clips of songs....maybe enough to raise its profile for an extended chart run.
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Post by gary on Aug 12, 2018 13:43:54 GMT
Arrival is every bit as deserving of a long chart run as its 1977 rival, Rumours.
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Post by madonnabba on Aug 12, 2018 16:30:12 GMT
Arrival was the best selling album of 1977 in the Uk, Rumours was further down. Both albums are fantastic and amongst my favourites. Think Rumours has overtaken Arrival in sales over the years because of extended chart runs. Was definitely Fleetwood Mac’s best album. Was number one for weeks in the USA.
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